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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, May 27, 2014.

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Remember If It Rains It Pours

Poll closed Jun 5, 2014.
  1. NICO ROSBERG

    16.2%
  2. LEWIS HAMILTON

    73.0%
  3. FERNANDO ALONSO

    2.7%
  4. DANIEL RICCIARDO

    2.7%
  5. NICO "THE PANZER" HULKENBERG

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. SEBASTIAN VETTEL

    2.7%
  7. VALTTERI BOTTAS

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. JENSON BUTTON

    2.7%
  9. KEVIN MAGNUSSEN

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. SERGIO PEREZ

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. OTHER PLEASE STATE IN BOLD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member
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    If they reduced the run offs, or put the polystyrene barriers in the run off areas like the Monza 1st corner they couldn't dot it.
     
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  2. BrightLampShade

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    Double points will start to get some backing from certain drivers trying to play catch up soon <ok>

    I also agree with the run off problem, whilst run offs are needed and get used for genuine mistakes I think it should be impossible for them to be the fastest way through a corner. Using big kerbs to force a car to slow down and weave (or polystyrene) is a simple and safe option.
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

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    They used to use speed bumps, but think the safety group objected as they said these would launch an out of control car into the air.

    Personally I see no reason why a small gravel trap or polystyrene blocks as mentioned, on the exit of the escape road would ensure the initial run-off area remains the same, but it would be harder to rejoin the track with an advantage.
     
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  4. eddie_squidd

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  5. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Quote from Rosberg :-



    The initial advantage allowed him to keep the position.

    That he slowed down afterwards to ensure he had no overall advantage is irrelevant as he did it in a section where the guy behind could not have overtaken, so he retained his advantage.

    End of argument.


    That is made no difference as Hamilton retired is also irrelevant. Ask Kubica what happened when he gained an advantage on Alonso at Silverstone, then couldn't give the place back as Alonso retired. He got a drive-thru because he couldn't give the place back.
     
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  6. eddie_squidd

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    Ask Ham about advantage after Spa 2008. He gave a place back and it still wasn't enough.

    Having said that I think the marshals got it right. I think realistically he could only have been asked to hand back the place if he had prevented an overtake by Ham. And a warning insured he wouldn't do it again. At that stage I was hoping Hamilton would eventually force another error from Rosberg as he looked like he was rocking under the pressure. Sadly that never happened.
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

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    One of the biggest bull**** decisions ever.
     
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  8. Smithers

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    The issue is not the decision - right or wrong. The issue is that drivers are afforded the luxury of being able to go off track and be unaffected, if this wasn't the case they wouldn't do it and there would be nothing further to discuss.

    I remember flex bollards being suggested, tough enough to damage bodywork but soft enough to not launch the car etc.

    The issue with any chicane cutting is that if the driver, Lewis Spa, Nico yesterday or any other, had to limp around the corner and bring it back to the corner, they would lose several seconds and momentum - something that isn't happening at the moment.
     
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  9. eddie_squidd

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    Very much so. I went to Spa in 2008, saw an amazing race in which my driver won, and then by the time I had got back to the hotel he had lost it again. I was extremely pissed off!

    I like the way Lewis recently said that as far as he is concerned he won that race. And he did of course.
     
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  10. SgtBhaji

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    Hamilton gave that spot back, and to top it off, Kimi didn't finish the race. By the rule book back then, he'd done what he had to. I agree though, the runoff needs to be more punishing.
     
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  11. eddie_squidd

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    Without raking it up again (oh, I already am) Kimi also gained an advantage running wide at Pouhon that day.

    Anyway, back on topic agree with Smithers re runoff. Wonder if we would see more clashes at chicanes though if drivers mess it up and can't take to the run off.
     
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  12. Smithers

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    I know he did and he seemed to comply with the regulations, but it showed that the sport felt that he hadn't lost enough time for his error, which resulted in him repassing Kimi pretty much straight away. Now we all know that he was going to pass Kimi so it seemed an overly harsh penalty, especially given the result.

    If the run off was unforgiving and cost equal or more time and momentum than negotiating the corner then they wouldn't make the "mistake", and the same goes for Nico yesterday.
     
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  13. Smithers

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    Spot on mate, I think it was Ferrari thing more than anything that day, but I don't think any driver should be able to effectively short cut the circuit and not lose a substantial amount of time.
     
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    My initial opinion was Massa had moved into Perez, or gone back into Perez wheeltracks just before the braking zone.

    I didn't see Perez make a move once Massa was going to go alongside so was surprised when he was given the penalty as it didn't look like he had moved in the braking zone (which is on a curve anyway)
     
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  16. Smithers

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    Interesting from that angle. I always find it strange when the leading car is penalised in incidents like these when the trailing car is heading for an ever reducing gap, for mad it was a racing incident or Massa's fault - just an opinion.
     
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  17. EternalMSC

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    Perez moves left in a right turn, when he knew Massa was behind. Case closed.
     
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  18. BrightLampShade

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    How did he move? He was going straight and is entitled to defend his line.

    He also did not make a move to block in the braking zone.

    Case closed.
     
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  20. Forza Bianchi

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    From this view it's clear why Perez got the penalty:

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