Go onto a mainstream Everton fansite like GOT and ask that question saint. We don't behave the same, as our clubs cultures have developed in different ways, sure we've stood together over Hillsborough and club loyalties to one side over a pint in the alehouse I doubt we'd differ at all, but when we become part of the collective there are massive differences between both clubs imo.
Any differences will have nothing to do with being a red or blue. I never got an answer from him as to why what he says it correct, just silly names and lots of hot wind.
he asked you. And your answer is weak in the extreme. Who cares about difference in clubs. It's the people that support them that we're talking about, people in very close proximity physically socially and economically, how does being a Liverpool or Everton supporter make them different socially and culturally.
You've never even been to the City, let alone stood on the terraces at both clubs, so what gives you the right to pontificate over it?
I can't agree Tobes. We both come from the city. We both support our respective clubs to the hilt. i still say we'd have a top night out on the ale together
Of course we would mate, but when we become part of the collective fanbase at our respective clubs we'd behave differently, as what's 'normal' to kopites is not the case to Blues and vice versa, that's my point. As collective fanbases we're different in our outlook and attitudes when it comes to the game and everything that goes with that.
I've never been to the north pole but I know there's ice, polar, bears, and penguins there. Never been to the sun but I know it's damn hot. And you keep saying that over and over when you haven't the first clue as to where I have or have not been, given you are so "traveled" I guess you can just tell? it's so pathetic it doesn't warrant discussion, but whatever gives your little manic mind joy eh. "pontificate"? Time to use a new word, or at least apply this one in it's proper meaning. And you have still failed to explain how you are right on this? I bet you there is little cultural difference between a 40 year old family man who is a truck driver in Liverpool, red or blue. They may think differently about football but that's as far as it may go, don't confuse tribalism with culture you numpty
Nah. I'm an individual and will remain so. For example, I sincerely hope you finish top 4. You may not be the same were it the other way round, but it's great for our city, especially with the very special 25 year stuff going on.
Actually Tobes your ideas are dangerous sort of things to be propagating to young minds. So say football tribalism makes the people actually different from each other. God forbid kids grow up thinking that sort of thing.
Far better that they grow believing that the Yanks orchestrated 9/11, that Global warming is a myth and that Obama's America is the 4th Reich....... Dangerous indeed....
That doesn't tell me what radical differences you think there are . Of course there's a herd mentality that comes into play with groups of people at times, but the motivation of a football "herd" is to support their team, and I don't see how you think that can give them similar characteristics beyond that support - or how that support is any different for the fans of other teams. The only cultural differences come from the relative successes and failures of different teams. LFC's most successful period of history is (just about) recent enough for the fans to have higher expectations than Everton. Go back to when I started to support them and it was a different story. Liverpool had spent years in the wilderness of the 2nd Division, and Everton's "School of Science" were the ones with the achievement and the expectations. Because I've seen that change over the years I know that the people involved haven't changed, and neither sets of supporters can be said to be different to the other in any way other than their football allegiance. On a slightly different note: I'm not having a go here, but having been brought up almost next to Goodison, it's quite sad to see the club go from the School of Science to the self-proclaimed "People's Club", and try to perpetrate the myth that locals have always supported the Blues. For any younger fans who've might have been sold this idea, take it from me, it's not true.
They ditched the "People's club" slogan a couple of years back saint. After some beaut from keioc trademarked it and then tried to get the club to pay him for it I was never a fan of it tbh, as I agree with you, it's not true.
Let's get back to reality. One of my best friends from being a nipper is a Blue. We grew up, threw up etc. etc. together. Our education though in different schools and different universities was very similar. We went to Derby Matches together and got drunk afterwards together. We are still friends after all these years, he's still a Blue and I'm a RED. That's the only difference. The culture and mentality that we both share remains the same and controls our actions irrespective of where we are, at the match, at the pub, etc. etc. I truly don't see where the difference is supposed to come from. We wear different colours and sing different songs but that's all.
Official match thread, not ot thread. I suggest a move on safe in the knowledge that the opposing side is plain wrong and your side is right and if you feel the need create an ot thread?
Game's over, we've moved on to the next thing like Stevie said. With him, it's Norwich- with us, it's any old ****e we can think to argue about.
Sorry to be pedantic, but there's no penguins in the northern hemisphere, let alone the north pole. I do find it ironic though that the general thrust of Tobes' inference is that Scousers who are red get together and eat babies, whilst blue Scousers skip around singing love songs. Doesn't look like that when Suarez, Bellamy and Gerrard are pelted with coins and bottles when they dare take a corner at the Gladwys St.... Btw, I was at Heysel with two Everton supporters (we got free tickets for helping to organise the football specials). I assume it must have been their collective influence on the other eight Liverpool supporters in our group that meant that we never got involved in any of the rioting - indeed we ran away with thousands of others to try and get out of the stadium on the opposite side to where the wall collapsed, though we didn't know that at the time. Then again, they must have had the same benign influence on all but @ 50-100 Liverpool fans that evening, as that's how many I saw involved in the rioting in the ground, and later viewing the news reports. So I thank them for that.
