You asked for it (another long post, but I'd rather do it all in one place. Was going to post my thoughts after my latest read through anyway) I've been offering my opinion a lot and did a lot of talk around the locations, however most of the talkative guys are now dead and we're left with quiet ones (as is the norm with Mafia games). Just read the OP and past summaries of each night again and noticed a few things, as of now my overview of the situation is : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lynch of DPP I still think this was the right call based on what we saw (or didn't see), all the evidence pointed to him being SK 1 (Capt Cold - kills with icy blast) who has been inactive all game until potentially yesterday. I say potentially because Killer Frost on the Mafia team also says "kill with an icy blast", so the description are the same and we don't know for sure who it was. No one else has pointed this out yet (as far as I can recall) which makes me very suspicious of certain players, who just skipped over this fact and act like they haven't bothered to read the OP when discussing the actions/results. Either they really haven't bothered to read the OP much (which is a very scum thing to do because you don't need to understand the game as well as if you are town and trying to figure things out), or they knew that fact but chose not to state it when posting. We know the other SK (SK 2 - Deathstroke) killed brb with a blast of energy, so only SK 1 was inactive for the first two days and so was DPP. In the previous Mafia game that I ran DPP suddenly remembered about the game and joined it late, so we could not risk that happening if he was SK 1. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other 2 kills As I said above MITO was killed by an icy blast so could be mafia hit or SK 1 who had been inactive until now, no way to know. That means mafia have made either 1 or 2 kills out of their 3 (Penfold definitely as kill method does not match SK's or Vigilante, and potentially MITO). So they have 1 or 2 kills left and a recruit. Mikey was killed by the Vigilante, who has 2 kills left then. Not going to say too much here, we need to keep our town roles secret and not reveal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Town roles We know a few town roles now, and a couple of solid town reads. This is good, but only lasts until the recruit, so it's temporary. Once the recruit happens that trust disappears until we kill the recruited townsperson. Once the recruited townsperson is killed then any original town role is innocent. However there are only 4 town roles left (2 masons who we know, Vigilante and Flash who are not revealed and should stay that way). We have 3 VT's and the rest are scum (2 SK's and 3 Mafia), who have to hide among VT's as any role they claim can be immediately busted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanilla Townies (VT's) The issue is a lot of guys have kept quiet and not claimed VT roles, it's easy to do so now. I'm looking back at who actually made an effort to solve the Locations riddles and stated who they voted for for lynch and what locations they voted for. It's not perfect as anyone claiming VT could be SK/Mafia, but I'm expecting legitimate VT's to have made an effort from the start and not just sat back. The problem is that there are a number of guys who made very little effort to state their intentions, so it's hard to split the scum players from the disinterested VT's. Mafia had a perfect reason to hope that town chose the wrong direction (which they knew each day according to the OP) so if we headed the right way as we have done on 2 out of 3 days I don't expect them to have contributed much (because if they chose the 'right option it would help lead town correctly, and if they chose the 'bad' option they would be suspected). If we were headed the wrong way then they probably would have jumped on the bandwagon though, but that never happened. To be honest I expected Mafia to be a lot more involved in trying to persuade town to pick the 'bad' option, but they in my opinion they must have decided to just lay low and hope to avoid suspicion, thinking that directing town to the wrong choice would lead to them being suspected. Mito and I were the main two who tried to get the riddle right and it seems we have done so. A number of posters agreed with the logic and participated, but the ones who did so early before we knew it was the right method are the ones I trust the most, the guys jumping on now and saying its correct is after the fact and less useful to me in terms of reads. Astro was the only one trying to shut down the conversation so he was very suspicious for that reason, he did state his reasons and turned up townie but I expected to see more of that from the mafia so I am rather surprised. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quiet players As you say the quiet guys are not offering any (constructive) opinions so it makes it impossible to read them. I was convinced that DPP was SK 2 as he not active at all, it now probably means that some of those guys who were only posting once or twice a day are probably scum and forgot to post actions with IBWT on certain days. Or else they got incredible unlucky and kept targeting guys in the lynch or killed by mafia or vigilante, which is less likely (SK's act after mafia and Vigilante). As MITO said it's making it very easy for scum to hide among quiet guys. We need those town guys to make an effort and actually act town and contribute, they're screwing us over by staying quiet. In this game with hidden lynches you could have the 5 scum roles sitting there, posting 2 comments a day and then making a hidden lynch vote and a kill action every day, and they're winning this game by far. Not a good mechanic in my opinion, it just encourages hiding but it's working for them so why should they change? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it worth it? I'm pretty despondent to be honest. Made a real effort to understand the rules and try figure things out, and now we have very little chance of winning and the guys who just sit back and don't contribute are probably going to win the game. I bet they're having a good old laugh on their QT boards about how we're talking to ourselves and not getting anywhere. I'm not going to sit here and continue to post full length novels trying to find a way to win if we are going to get raped by guys who have posted less than 10 posts the whole game, of which none were constructive. I was up until 1pm trying to look for clues, I'm tired and I'm getting nowhere. If this is another game like that one where Sebb/Penfold screwed me over when I was the known innocent cop then someone must kill me tonight, I'm not interested in getting led around and every suspect of mine turns out to be town. I'm not just throwing my toys out the cot, but I don't see the point in putting in all this effort if a bunch of guys are quiet and it makes it impossible to get reads on anyone. Note this is not aimed at scum, if it works for you go for it, this is aimed at town. If only scum are hiding then they're easy to find, but if town guys do the same then it allows scum to hide among you. I might just do the same and make my daily vote and location choice, and just sit back and watch which scum team wins this. ...OK not really, I'll probably have a cup of coffee, feel a bit more wide awake and go read through all the posts again (thanks to whoever disabled the search functionality, you're my hero. not.), it seems I'm a sucker for punishment. For what it's worth, today's option is Dinner for one. I'm not stating my lynch vote yet as whoever I pick is probably town and I don't want you guys following my vote. Let's see what others come up with. [/rant] EDIT: Village fete is bad, nightclub neutral according to our logic from before.
I posted this yesterday,,,,, Can mito still post in here now hes dead? if im following this right ... Pasted from Rolando: Dead List: Tobes - Cisco brb - vanilla Astro - vanilla Penfold - journo Valley - vanilla DPP - vanilla MITO - mayor Mikey - vanilla Alive List: AFC ACS Bobby Bodanki - mason Chaos - mason Danilo Lucaaas RHC Rolando - town Sir Tennis Style Suckmyklopp and out of the 12 still alive.... 2 are SK? (and sk's are hidden bad guys who join the Mafia after so many nights?) 3 are definitely Mafia? and now they may have recruited another making 4? What are the 2 Masons? can someone explain please cheers Edit: i dont really have any ideas or theories as of yet, maybe after the above is explained?
Chaos don't even get me started on your antics in this game. You're the only two confirmed innocents on the TOWN team. Note the word in capitals, that's the team you are supposed to be on. Lynching Astro for fun because you don't want him solving all the clues (even though you knew he was TOWN) ranks right up there with Valley's suicide. At least Valley's suicide was funny and not intentional... Unbelievable. Look you can screw around if you want, I don't think we can win this anymore unless we get really lucky. But I just think town had virtually no chance when you have town roles like masons revealing their roles early and voting off other town for fun. We faced enough of an uphill task with the setup.
Ha ha nice counter I think you are likely mafia, however im a crusader shall we say! Am i really town? Do i know bod is fibbing?
SK are solo teams who act in their own interest. They want to kill all town and all mafia, they don't join the mafia. Yes there are 3 definite mafia. They can recruit 1 person, we don't know if they've done that yet, I don't think @InBiscanWeTrust has confirmed if he would state a recruit in the nightly summary? Masons are a tricky one, I think this is your first game so I understand your confusion! Masons are on the town team, they have their own QT board (a separate secret board that only they have access and they can chat to each other). They don't have any real actions but because they know each other they can strategise and decide who looks like bad guys, and who they can vote for. In this game with hidden votes the masons should have been particularly useful as they could lump both their votes on someone looking guilty and hopefully get them lynched, all the rest of us don't know anyone else who is 100% town so we can't co-ordinate lynch votes easily or discuss targets without giving it away to the bad guys. Chaos and Bodanki have been having a bit of fun which is why my last few posts have been less than complimentary, but the above bit is true about masons in general. These two have taken a few liberties which is why it's a bit confusing as to what team they're on. They are still really important for us because #1 they are 2 known innocents, #2 they count towards the town total and scum teams need to kill or outnumber town, and #3 we need their votes to lynch the bad guys.
Chaos if you are a SK and you've been bluffing I will not participate in the next mafia game in honour of your bluffing abilities! And I'll haunt the real masons for not busting you! Are you now saying you're vigilante?! Come on mate, I'm trying to figure this out here, I don't need this right now!
Are you saying Bod is not a mason? Really? I'm having serious flashbacks to that known innocent cop game, it's not healthy! I know you claimed Mason role first and then him, why would you wait so long to bust him? And why wouldn't he kill you that night once you said he was a mason when he wasn't?
FFS. I'm done, someone else deal with Chaos. If you're town then spit it out, either you are a mason and he's fake claiming, in which case you have to tell us (and should have ages ago). If you're messing around then I have no words.
For confirmation, the SK's had the chance to join forces last night - any this would have been confirmed in the nightly update if it occurred.
