Offical match day thread
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Who would've ever imagined. You got to hope there are 3 worse teams tbf.
Yeah, Arteta can’t stay. He’s lost the dressing room and the players getting red cards is a consequence of them not enjoying their football or the way certain popular players have been treated.
I think Arteta has potential to be a great coach/manager, but as a first job, this was a HUGE ask that he’s evidently not up to.
He won’t survive the new year. I’ll be amazed if he does..
I think Arteta has potential to be a great coach/manager, but as a first job, this was a HUGE ask that he’s evidently not up to.
He won’t survive the new year. I’ll be amazed if he does..
4 home games in a row. Leicester, Villa, Wolves and Burnley...
Our worst points return after 12 games since 1959.
11 goals in 12 games.
Highest goalscorer has 3 goals to his name.
2 points in the last 2 months.
Isolated a lot of our popular and promising, young players.
Selecting Xhaka, Willian, Bellerin and Lacazette every week despite them consistently putting in horror shows.
He's not up to it. Arteta Out.
because continuity is the one aspect you cannot hire, it really only comes with time, and in that regard, it’s priceless.
Our squad has plenty of players that need to be moved on, and we just haven’t turned over the number of players a real rebuild requires. (Which is why I would want to see what a host of new signings could do).
BUT you cannot just keep a manager for the sake of it. If we were hovering around 10th I would have kept Arteta, but we are just sliding down the table playing like ****, with no improvement in sight.
Again though, I agree with what one poster said somewhere earlier:
We kept emery 2 months too long, and I think we will keep arteta 4 months too long.
We kept emery 2 months too long, and I think we will keep arteta 4 months too long.
Turning into the new Watford?
Even Chelsea give their managers more time
Even Chelsea give their managers more time
Depressing because I still feel Arteta may turn out to be a quality manager. There are some clear issues with the dressing room.
We know he's fallen out with Ozil and Guendouzi, we know Saliba for whatever reason cant get a game and most importantly our best players look totally lost for confidence. Its looking like he has completely lost the dressing room. These are all managerial issues.
We cant score goals and we're struggling to create chances which is weird because if you looked at this squad without any knowledge of recent games.. Auba, Laca, Pepe, Willian, Ozil, Ceballos, Martinelli etc.. you would have thought that's were we would struggle least.
We know he's fallen out with Ozil and Guendouzi, we know Saliba for whatever reason cant get a game and most importantly our best players look totally lost for confidence. Its looking like he has completely lost the dressing room. These are all managerial issues.
We cant score goals and we're struggling to create chances which is weird because if you looked at this squad without any knowledge of recent games.. Auba, Laca, Pepe, Willian, Ozil, Ceballos, Martinelli etc.. you would have thought that's were we would struggle least.
He's lost the dressing room and I don't know a single time a manager comes back from that so might as well draw time on it right now rather than drag it out. Guendouzi I couldn't give a stuff about as he's a complete knob. But Ozil doesn't seem like such a complete knob. And Saliba surely deserves a chance given the dross we've given chances to over the years.
Get someone in who'll sort out the dressing room.
Leno, AMN, Gabriel, Saliba, Tierney, Partey, Ceballos, Pepe, Ozil, Saka, Auba should be a team near the top of the table.
From previous videos the dominant characters in there are Auba, Laca, Luiz (and Guendouzi formerly). In fact given how close Guendouzi was to those three maybe his treatment has been a big factor in this?
Anyway, **** it, just get in Allegri and see what happens.
A long-serving Wenger didn't work. A vaguely successful and experienced Emery didn't work. A young and inexperienced Arteta hasn't worked. One more throw of the dice at Allegri and just see what happens. If Allegri doesn't work then we really are lost.
Get someone in who'll sort out the dressing room.
Leno, AMN, Gabriel, Saliba, Tierney, Partey, Ceballos, Pepe, Ozil, Saka, Auba should be a team near the top of the table.
From previous videos the dominant characters in there are Auba, Laca, Luiz (and Guendouzi formerly). In fact given how close Guendouzi was to those three maybe his treatment has been a big factor in this?
Anyway, **** it, just get in Allegri and see what happens.
A long-serving Wenger didn't work. A vaguely successful and experienced Emery didn't work. A young and inexperienced Arteta hasn't worked. One more throw of the dice at Allegri and just see what happens. If Allegri doesn't work then we really are lost.
When Mourinho (who isn't that great anymore) can come in and make a team perform drastically better with essentially the same core group of players, you have to question Poch's ability. Poch lost that dressing room too. No point replacing a coach who's lost the dressing room with a manager who could win nothing with a good squad and who also eventually lost the dressing room.
Our dressing room has quite a few dominant knobs it who control things and down tools when they like, a bit like the current United squad (but they seem to perform more regularly than us) and the previous Chelsea squad dominated by Terry et al.
Only a very strong character is going to iron that out.
It looks more and more apparent that the first 6 months of Arteta's good football and FA Cup win was mainly due to the players being happy that Emery wasn't there rather than being happy that Arteta was there.
Ridiculous to sack him now . He was one of most promising young managers when appointed and still is. Give him time like United is giving Solskjaer time. Of course there will be dips and he’ll be learning lessons as he goes along. He has the right pedigree and has learnt with the very best.
The period after a long time successful manager is always bumpy. You should keep Arteta as rapid firing is not a good strategy in the long term. Think Watford.
The period after a long time successful manager is always bumpy. You should keep Arteta as rapid firing is not a good strategy in the long term. Think Watford.
No he wasn't. He wasn't a manager when we appointed him. It was a gamble. His only pedigree was that he spent a couple of years working for Pep. But regardless, his coaching is not the issue. He's lost the dressing room.
And long may giving Solksjaer time continue. They'll never be that great with him there regardless of time.
Again, what pedigree does he have?
It's simplistic to assume that whatever you do after a long-server, the period will always be bumpy. The only two examples you'll bring up to back up your point will be Fergie and Wenger, But both those situations were made worse but appalling managers put in place. The issue with both of those examples is not that they were preceded by long-serving managers, it's that the appointments were terrible.
Totally agree.
I think everyone is jumping on the 'sack Arteta' bandwagon thinking that it is the answer to our problems.
Where is the proof that he has lost the dressing room ?
Tierney, who happens to be our best player at the moment, was saying this morning that the players feel bad about letting the manager down which sounds as though they still have respect for him.
We were actually playing well up until Xhaka stupidly got sent off but I don't see much criticism of him like there normally would be, he let every one down but no one has mentioned that.
I think Arteta is the one being let down, by incompetent players.
Don't fancy the chances of some big profile manager coming in and having to improve this lot.
Still at least Aubameyang eventually scored didn't he ?
Which end was it again ?
The players whether they are committed to the manager or not are putting arteta and owners into a corner.. XHAKA should not play again..