This Froggy guy has a point - and clearly understands that fascism has a huge element of racism involved in it, anyone that does not realise this needs to read some books about fascism. I studied a fair bit at Uni around the topic. At this current moment in time I wonder how Sess and your other black players are feeling? If you stay up will they want to stay with a manger who has intense fascist views, on the flip side will Di Canio want black players at Sunderland? My wife is black and we had a long discussion last night about this, she has an Masters in politics - so is fairly clued up about this kind of thing. I wont be getting involved in the facebook thing as that's not my business, as I'm a Liverpool fan. Before you mention Suarez making racist comments - I was probably the one Liverpool poster that wanted Suarez out of our club when the Evra thing happened. Whatever happens - I sincerely want you to stay up, and the Geordies too. The league would suffer if you both went down with the likes of Reading etc staying up.
I'm surprised so many Sunderland fans are so willing to brush this under the carpet tbh. So many excuses as to why Di Canios support of an ultra right wing party "isn't that bad". Well if wiping the jews off the face of the earth is acceptable to you guys then you've kinda gone down in my estimations. Having worked in Sunderland many times I always felt an affinity with you guys so I'm a bit shocked how so many of you are willing to make excuses for Di Canios views.
I support sunderland and have no say in who our manager is and no does any other supporter what will be will be if all the supporters rock the boat about who ever is the manager is we will be domed before he starts
Agreed, very sad day for Sunderland and their fans. Di Canio always has been an idiot. Other managers like Mourinho and Capello with ALLEGEDLY far right connections and sympathies have kept well quiet about them. If you want him out hang a banner bigging up Walter Audisio on the terraces, should tip the twat over the edge fast.
Isn't that what forums like this are for though? Fair enough that you may feel doing it at the game may adversely affect the team so is not the right place to do it. What I am surprised about is hearing Sunderland fans making excuses like "Italian Fascism isn't as bad as other forms of fascism".
The italian fascists fought alongside Hitler.This guy should never be in a position of influence I lived in an italian area that is heavily into fascism.Very scary.When Di Canio warmed up at half time in front of our fans the people(and their were lots of them),dressed in paramilitary type clothes(black t-shirts with appropriate logos)applauded him. He is a forceful man who will shove people around if he is not happy.IMO a thug I would tather be relegated than be assiciated with him and his views. Would you sign Marlon King to score you goals?
Racism is learned...? By definition, racism can involve choosing one person over another based on skin-tone or genetic profiling... In my example I'm discussing sexual attraction, the sub-conscious inclination towards getting a stiffy over a certain type of person. That can and will be biologically informed. Of course culture can inform it also, but that's as I already said. You've become pedantic about a point that I've already acknowledged. If you look at any sort of statistics about relationship diversity in mixed group areas, you'll see that the vast majority tend towards same race couples. Those studies negate any sort of cultural impact of mixed schools and mixed social lives and show biological inclination. But hilariously pontificating on the matter using as many long words as you can muster is pointless, Shameless. I think if we truly want to explore our biological inclinations, let's have some nice pictures of the variety of different lasses and see what's what? Odds are you're into something weird you kinky b******
A lot of people feel this way and it may result in losing thousands off the crowd. However, a lot are prepared to forgive coercion, concentration camps, murder and genocide if he can obtain 3 points (i'm not joking).
Nobody has said wiping the Jews of the face of the earth was acceptable. And in any case that is Nazism, not facism. Nazism comes from facism but is far more extreme (obviously) Facism does not involve the extermination of any race. Like Nazism it believes in a superior culture, but rather than kill the minorities, fascism would just make them change their culture and way of life. To be clear I am in no way defending facism, not at all. But he is not a Nazi as a lot of people seem to think, the racism thing is debatable but I am of the view he isn't racist. As always time will tell
Hmmm. There is a certain amount of irony in not being prepared to tolerate another person for their 'views' because of their 'intolerance'.
I take it as a good sign that our resident Skunks, such as yourself, seem to be running scared over this appointment..
If someone held such views, but changed their mind, does that tar them for life? Or is it just the worry that Sunderland will be associated with his viewpoint history? I genuinely thought his fascist leanings had become less radical over time, to the point where he's more in the left... or am I just thinking of someone else? I thought he read Mussolini's autobiography/propaganda as a young man and fell in love with the nationalistic fervor? Wasn't that the point of such books? To brainwash the stupid? I definitely remember reading his views had changed though. I shall try and find it.
Racism is definitely conditioned. As a really young child you have no idea what race or religions and you will play with and love anyone regardless. As you grow up and you become more aware of the differences that separate you, you become less willing to integrate with those you're different from
Total over reaction to Di Canio by the intolerant left. Latin temperament is more passionate than ours and they have a different passion for football and politics. Most Latin countries that are great football nations have also had periods of neo-fascist rule. Italy, Portugal, Spain, Brazil and Argentina have all had fascist governments in the past and none acted as bad as Nazi Germany. Latin passion could be an anti-dote to MON's dourness?
Gandalf please post if you find a link that says his views have changed I'd be interested to read that, and if convinced be willing to give him a chance!
Agree with indestructible. To be honest, Martin O'Neill is a better manager than Pardew. I think he put himself in a bad situation and maybe his tactics became dated (actually in world football, counter-attacking is making a significant comeback... it annoys me one team does all the pressing then the other counters and scores and sits deep again... but hey ho), but I think his record with other clubs speaks for itself. Dicanio seems like a self-important tosser. Any "passion" or "fight" is media designed headlines, not any form of truth. I anticipate him creating large rifts more so than uniting players. But, if it works out, it's a stroke of genius. Because we're in such similar positions, it's tempting to just wait and see if Sunderland or Newcastle have done the right thing regarding retaining the manager, but maybe they both have. Agreed. Fascism has brands, as do the liberals! Politics is a spectrum, and most ideologies converge somewhat. I think assuming too much based on him liking certain aspects of fascism is a little unfair, but it's the individual's prerogative. Personally, I like the theory behind communist ideology, but in practice it's rather less desirable because of its application. If Dicanio starts signing a specific race-only in transfer windows, though...
