You seem to miss the part where I have constantly told you that it became LEGAL in 2004. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by the dates I have given for every stage, from bill in 2003 to royal assent in November 2004 Why is it you have such difficulty in understanding this? Now you seem to be arguing for 2006 as 95% happened then and ignoring the other 5% let me re iterate CIVIL PARTNESHIPS BECAME LEGAL IN 2004 FACT
Thats actually not true gay couples were legally able to put down their names in 2004. Prior to this it wasnt allowed hence illegal
It's like the smoking ban - Parliament didn't actually vote on it on 1 July 2007 but that's when it actually became illegal to smoke in public buildings etc. in England.
from the lesbian and gay foundation On a par with the decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1967, the Civil Partnership Act is a very important step forward. For the first time, it gives same sex couples legal recognition and similar rights to married heterosexual couples. The Act relates to England and Wales providing both partners are British or European Union nationals.The Civil Partnership Act means that register offices up and down the country are able to register same sex couples as legal ‘spouses’.
And yet in post #75 and others on this thread you told us that the Civil Partnership Act was of low priority to gay people. Now you're citing the Lesbian & Gay foundation as it "being on a par with the decriminilisation of homosexuality in 1967"
He was referencing gay marriage as being of a low priority and not a civil partnership as far as I can tell. The date that the legislation became active has become somewhat of a (unnecessary) stumbling block. It was raised to say that not that many people have elected to be recognised as civil partners. If there is an argument, it is around those numbers. As it is, it is just two people massaging the date the law was passed and the date it became active to push the significance of another number....They are both correct in what they are arguing, but in the context of its relation to the number of couples who have elected to become civil partners then Fan should cede that ground imo.
I have said similar along the way. I have even tried to be reasonable. saying 'since the 2004 civil partnership act...' is similar to saying to a couple who have been together for 5 years with 1 child that they had in fact 1 child in 5 years. some may argue they had only been married for 3 of those 5, so its 1 in 3 I have already said that I got the 20k fig from QT and dont have any issues with the 'revised' 50k What seems to be the case here, based on the initial dispute, is PNP was wrong with the first bit but refiuses to accept it and has gone round the houses to 'win' What this has eventually become isnt what it initially was
you still dont get it do you? and they are the same thing = response to question asking the difference between CP and marriage keep trying
No, it wasn't. You were responding to PNP pointing out you had got yet another point wrong earlier in the thread. You've argued at various points throughout this thread that both gay marriage and civil partnerships are low priority to the gay community then you go and quote the Lesbian and Gay Foundation as saying civil partnerships are "on a par with the decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1967".
Rubbish. Your claim was that people weren't entering into civil partnerships at a significant rate and you included years that you shouldn't have to back up that claim. People couldn't enter into a civil partnership in 2004 at all and for about 95% of 2005. They weren't relevant years to your point.
Rubbish you only have to go back to what I initially said and what you disputed. I already accepted the 50k figure ages ago and never argued about it in any form with you Accept it everything points to 2004
why are you trying to make an argument where there hasnt been one my exact quote was Interestingly civil partnerships were made legal in 2004 and since then there have been less than 20 000 'ceremonies amongst gay people. hardly a rush there are 3 points there 1 - civil partnerships were made legal in 2004 - proven to be fact asroyal assent was given in 2004 and people were legally able to register, something they couldnt do before 2 - the 20 k figure - which we havent really argued about as I had no probs accepting the 50k 3 - the rush - which again we havent argued At NO point have I disputed when a civil partnership took place/occurred whatever the point is/was and will remain that as of 2004 civil partnerships were legal even the gay and lesbian foundation agree the Civil Partnership Act is a very important step forward. For the first time, it gives same sex couples legal recognition and similar rights to married heterosexual couples.
the Civil Partnership Act is a very important step forward. For the first time, it gives same sex couples legal recognition and similar rights to married heterosexual couples. fact
