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  1. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Well it's certainly took people's attention away, from Russia and that plane..

    Todays news is tomorrows history. Give it another few days, there will be something new happens.
     
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  2. Billy Death

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    I'm standing up for Israel's right to defend itself against Islamic terrorists.
    Hamas are worse than the ****ing provo's, **** anyone who doesn't like that view.
     
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  3. Billy Death

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    No of cousre they didn't.
    Just like Northern Ireland, the Catholic Church, the Irish Republic never harboured the Provisional IRA did they?
    Yes, we know that's true.
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    That's completely understandable mate, your opinion is exactly the opinion I've heard a thousand times this week and I agree with much of it.

    The fact that the UN are seen as this 'all seeing eye' is distorting everything, they're being smoothed over by even Hamas on their side of the fence, being fed lies and manipulated, according to the Israeli's who have hard evidence to back it up, and yeah, the innocent Palestinians are bearing the brunt of it all.

    My opinion on Israel taking action and innocent lives being lost in the process being justifiable, is simply because there is no other way to target a complex network of dangerous tunnels other than to hit them from the air, without sacrificing the lives of their own soldiers and civilians inevitably. If faced with that choice 'it's you or me', then it's you all day long, no matter what treaty I'm failing to abide by.

    They're not in any shape, way or form, attacking Gazans intentionally. Middle-Eastern media outlets will force you to believe Israel are carpet bombing a city willy-nilly without prior intel, it's ridiculous. I refuse to believe anything the media are trying to convey to the public, I was in intel myself in the British forces and trust me, the media are not even given the slightest consideration by armed forces, they knew less than 1% I'd imagine of what was actually going on in Op Telic.
     
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  5. Billy Death

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    Aye, this.
     
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  6. Poyet's Eleven

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    That's completely different though
     
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  7. Poyet's Eleven

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    I can see where you're coming from, but for me, despite the complex tunnels and such I can't accept the fact so many innocent people are dying in Israel's efforts to defeat Hamas. There has to be a better solution. All this bombing now is going to breed hate among the Palestinians, and can you blame them? This isn't the right solution

    Israel and Egypt could at least allow people to flee, but they're trapped, not knowing if every day will be their last.
     
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  8. Poyet's Eleven

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    Aside from Hamas themselves, I have yet to see someone say they think it is okay for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. Just people who think it is wrong that Israel are killing innocent people daily
     
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    Yes, because up until now the Palestinians have been very sympathetic and tolerable towards the Jewish people <ok>
     
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    You still don't get it. Hamas are trying to do exactly the same to Israel. I will repeat, Israel should not be vilified simply because they are much better equipped for war. The intent is there from Hamas and that's what matters.
     
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  11. Poyet's Eleven

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    Didn't say that, did I? The tone of that post is very snide. What I meant was it would breed more hate

    In any case it's not like the Jewish people have been at all tolerable of the Palestinians, is it? Took their land, control the borders of the now severely over populated land they do have. Like I said earlier, I don't agree with Hamas's anti semitism stance, but it is no wonder there is so much hate as it is
     
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  12. Commachio

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  13. Poyet's Eleven

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    Hamas are a terrorist group and I personally think it is extremely unfair that innocent children in particular are dying because of their actions. If you think it's okay for them to kill so many innocent people, then fine, it's your opinion.
     
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    If they will use their holy place for storing arms and bases to launch attacks, then it's not surprising they are also using schools, hospitals etc.
     
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    I will never think it's okay for innocent civilians to lose their lives, never. I do however understand that Israel has to protect it's people from ongoing terrorist attacks, at any costs.
     
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  16. Tel (they/them)

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    You don't need to accept it, the problem is that they have nowhere to go, it's a hotbed for terrorists to breed if Israel does not attack though. They're standing up for themselves and against terrorism, if they refused to fight back then you'd have every Islamic terrorist organisation breeding like rats in the Gaza strip, then what?

    Palestinians have got a raw deal, nobody is disputing that, they need to be offered a safe route out by a safe country of refuge. Hamas won't entertain a ceasefire though under any circumstances, so that's not going to happen even if it does appear to be a pipe dream.
     
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  17. Jackerini

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    tbh they are both doing the same thing to each other, just because israel are more advanced in misile deffence because they are supported by the US doesnt make them the bad guys, pallastine would of killed just as many innocent people if it wasnt for the iron dome! israel do what ever they can to survive! id hope we would have the balls to do the same
     
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  18. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    The hate of Muslim/Jews in the area is a ****ing myth!

    Seriously, Israel is defending it's nation and under the umbrella of the Israeli nation falls around 18% of their population who are Muslims. They live in harmony, there is no hate other than from over the border where terrorism lurks and aims to eradicate an entire race as an ideal of it's beliefs.
     
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  19. Billy Death

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    How's it different?
    The point I was trying to make is that in order for a terrorist organisation to exist they either need the support or the overthrow of the local community.
    Otherwise what's the point?
    Look at XMG, totally anti British, complete ****hole.
     
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  20. Commachio

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    Lovely place, perfect for a nice meal, and a few pints.:D
     
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