And have you seen who Putin has doing his bidding for him? A bunch of scruffy-looking, overweight, chain-smoking, gun-toting, balaclava-wearing yobs. Speaks volumes for Putin I suppose.
Allegedly armed by Russia. I'm in no way defending the idiots that shot down a commercial airline but how many Russians have been killed since the beginning of the year in Ukraine? I honestly don't know how you can point blankly defend the West and the Ukrainians, they are just as at fault for everything that has happened since the start of the year if not more responsible. Maybe it's more politically correct to follow the masses. Here are a couple of examples of Ukrainians indiscriminately attacking Russians taken from various sources. What would you expect Russia to do given these and many more incidents? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27100265 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...be1bb0-0a85-11e4-8341-b8072b1e7348_story.html http://rt.com/news/172832-snezhnoe-airstrike-residential-quarters/ As i've said earlier the West should have tried the democratic route and maybe sanctions before sponsoring the violence against ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
I suppose so when you compare it to being chased into a building and then burned alive. http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/05/13/362510/fascists-burned-people-alive-in-odessa/ These are the people being supported by the West. The same western governments that supported and wanted to arm the Syrian rebels. WAKE UP!
Commies, fascists....they can all be extremist nutters. Sometimes its hard to tell who is who. I prefer middle-of-the-road myself.
It's along time since the Russians were communists. The mere fact that they are trading with the West (ships from France) proves that. read this reply taken from the guardian today.... ''Two jets where in the sky at the time following the airliner. There where no missile trails spotted, filmed or reported at the time of the accicdent. BUK SAMs would leave a long thick trail. The air traffic control transcripts from kiev control to the plane have not been released (nor will they be) An air traffic contoller who was working at the time has 'dissapeared' and his twitter page closed. He reported that the ministry of interior knew the jets where follwing the plane. There is a lot of info out there swirling around (underneath the predictable american feed being regurgitated in the western press) The plane crashed pretty much in the middle of nowhere, the bodies had to be moved after they where marked as they where beginning to rot in the heat. I assume thats why they are being moved somewhere out of the heat. Standard proceedure at aircraft crash sites. Body(s) and parts marked then bagged and moved .. but of course the way its been reported as 'bodies being dragged across the fields' Total hysterical bullshit. This has followed very closely from the BRICs bank formation this week, an air India flight was 90 seconds away from the plane shot down and the US Congress passed a Russian Aggression Prevention Act (RAPA) that grants Ukraine - together with Moldova and Georgia - major non-NATO ally status. RAPA authorizes weaponizing Ukraine with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons. And “encourages” Washington to share intel with Kiev. RAPA also “encourages” USAID, the World Bank and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) to “assist” Ukraine to exploit its natural gas and oil reserves. Maybe Putin has less sway with east ukranians than we think. (and they are not seperatists, they desire a united Ukraine - but lets not let facts get in the way of western proaganda eh) Maybe there will be no surprises with this story at the end of the day but the western media has hardly covered itself in glory by regurgitating the hysterical warmongering stance and failing to ask any pertinent questions.'' As per usual the West tell us what we want to hear and hides what they don't want us to know. I think that the BRICS meeting ruffled a few feathers in Washington. Coincidences don't just happen.
So what about the hard evidence in all of this? Ukraine have released tapes of Russian separists talking about bringing the plane down. Why did the Russian separists not allow the international observers full access to the crash site?
Congratulations to the Guardian, looks like they have solved (or on the point of solving) the mystery of who shot down Malaysian flight MH17. I've seen the footage where pro-Russian separatists have emptied the contents of the plane's baggage and discovered they were 'foreigners'. Oh ****, they could have added, what were they doing on the plane? Seems to me and a lot of others that they blew that plane from the sky thinking it was Ukranian military and got it wrong. They had already downed two planes previously hadn't they?
It's amazing that only your sources have hard evidence. Anybody with an opposite view is regarded as rubbish. But for your information the ''BBC reports - Ukraine’s SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency'' http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/ukraine-confiscates-air-traffic-control-recordings/#WEGU23dC7vlqph3o.99t Amazing that they dragged out a supposed recording of two Russians talking together (the accents were Russian, i've heard the tape) but they arn't releasing this major evidence. or maybe just a coincidence!
If they had supporting evidence on the voice recorder they would have released it already. If they had no evidence or damning evidence against the Ukrainian authorities then they will withhold it. I wouldn't trust the Ukrainian government at all. Their job is to get the West to side against Russia to fulfill their needs. And they are doing it quite well looking at the press. Just a quick question regarding the Russians. Had dozens of UK citizens been chased inside of a building and then burnt alive how would you react? What would you do? Try finding any western articles of western leaders condemning the Pogrom. The BBC ran this report of how the Russians and the Ukrainian reported it... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27267247 Great line from a Ukrainian blogger..... Yevhen Ikhelzon "Despite the fact that the unrest in Ukraine is directed from abroad, Ukrainians need national reconciliation." Directed from abroad.
"they came to Odessa with a sword and eventually died from a sword. I am sorry for them, but they wished death for my country and, therefore, made Ukraine defend itself". That seems fair enough to me. Like I said, this is after Russia took the Crimea in April.
Come to Odessa with a sword. What all of them? Have you seen the types of nationalists that are abound in this part of Europe. Skinheaded Neo Nazis mate. So we can go out a murder a few Germans cos their ancestors killed people during the war? So now you are siding with people who see Pogroms (as the legitimate authorities stood by and watched) as legitimate revenge and you wonder why the Russians have reacted! So if the Russians invade Northern Poland, walk down my street and slaughter my family as revenge for Odessa this would be ok? Sorry mate, if you want to defend Fascist, Racist, Neo Nazi's then you're a lost cause!
So then siding with Neo Nazis and Siding with the Americans who shot down an Iranian airline with 66 kids on board. They admitted to it. The flight was in Iranian airspace and taking pilgrims to Mecca. Nobody was ever convicted. Honestly mate, I'm a Jarra lad myself but take yourself out of Jarra and see how the rest of the world lives. The Idiots in Ukraine are a different breed then your HEDAB etc they are evil bastards. We have the same here in Poland complete evil idiots. The same people sided with the Nazis during the war and helped them run the death camps. Now the west is sponsoring them. I hope to god i'm wrong and the west is right, but i'm not naive.
You've just redeemed yourself there Think it's a bit harsh telling me to get my head out of Jarra, when I'm fairly well travelled. Anyways what's with your username then? You're a Jarrovian not a friggin sandy..
Born in Shields my famoly were lucky to get picked in the Raffle (got a council house) and we and emigrated from the holding centre on Whiteleas island (on the banks of the Hudson river) to 'God's country' as a nipper. Spent all of my formative years around the back of Botto's and the Greyhound buying Cider from a hatch! South Jarrow though mate none of that Jarrow City Centre rabble! We had bigger slides! Sorry if I seem heated about this but these Central/Eastern Europeans Nationalists are all complete nutters. We are better keeping out of it. They've fought for centuries and will for centuries more. Only harm will come from getting involved. I told a guy here in Poland months ago that it wouldn't end up well. Imagine a region full of Lukes Lanes! Believe me the Russians aren't the enemy. Putin wanted to support the Syrian government and the Middle east was far safer when the Russians were taking the bullets. Every side is as bad as each other... some hide it better though.
I'm certainly not blind to the facts that propaganda, lies and deceit are not exclusive to the Russians. However, in this case all the evidence suggests that the missile has been fired by Russian separatists and not government forces. The missile used has undoubtedly came from Russia, but that does not necessarily mean that Russia has been supplying these missiles to separatists, as they already existed in that country and could have been taken from the nation state armour in the same way they control airports etc in the east of the country. I suppose what I am getting at is that it is far too simple just to blame Putin and his government, although I do believe he could do a lot more to resolve some of the issues at the heart of the problems.
