I agree but that's why you have a team, I'd expect that foreign policy to evolve & firm up if he wins there's plenty of old school now Labour to call upon like that. Did you see he's committed to 50/50 male/female shadow cabinet? I would say this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for many people to see a huge change in the political process. Labour has needed a reboot for years now. Can imagine Labour under Corbyn being halfway between Lab from 97 & libdems. Very interesting to see all the back stabbing & bitching going on because he's opened up a 22 point lead.....
Corbyn will be a breath of fresh air and will install the true labour values back into the party. There are far to many MP's on all sides that are in the job for the financial awards and milk the system for every penny they can get. Why we need 635 MP's is a mystery and the 2nd highest behind China. The US have around 200 and look at the size of them......Most MP's earn far more than an MP's pay outside of parliament in various disguises. And what is the house of lords about.....Its nothing more than a place for ex mp's and the idle rich as a place to rip off you and me by claiming £300 per day plus expenses which is more than a lot of working families take home a week.......It is nothing more than a continuation of the gravy train........Corbyn is the type of MP who will speak out about all the billions of money being wasted by those that keep their gobs shut for fear of the status quo and the money they would lose.........Governing this country is lop sided in favour of the rich and it needs a shake up to bring it back in balance so it is a fair system for all and not just the few........Corbyn being elected as the labour leader would be a small step but a valuable step of getting this country back and put a stop eventually to rip off nation by our own wealthy people at the expense of the rest of the nation........
Don't forget about the subsidised alcohol - seriously drinking during the working day would be gross misconduct in most jobs let alone getting a huge discount in the MPs bar He's one of the few to say 914,000 people having to go to food banks is unacceptable. I particularly love the idea of a national education service free at the point of delivery, that way people claiming JSA can be sent for PROPER education not the rubbish these private companies deliver (like CLAIT for example). I didn't realise it was Labour that put the groundwork together for the Open University a vastly under rated achievement.
Britain Needs to hear the facts that are distorted by parliamentary speak.....How many of you have heard the term..."in real terms" What the hell does that mean? It's a way of confusing the general public but you wont find it being challenged because all the parties use the term to justify when something has not worked.....Why on every budget day anything that sounds good dont start for 2,3 and even 4 years and anything like alcohol,petrol, ***s ,Vat increases and many more that they dont tell you will start at 6pm that day....Every single MP have just received a 11% pay rise while in the budget it was announced that public service workers will only get a 1% rise for the next 4 years and the 748 peers in the lords can each draw £300 every time they set foot in the building and on top of that they can claim expenses.......What the hell is wrong with people today to stay quiet and accept whats going on. I am hoping that if Corbyn gets elected he will use his platform to speak out like he does in private i really do.......
I think the fact Jeremy Corbyn is spoken about in the same sentence as Dennis Skinner says it all!!! House of Lords is basically full of party donors it's titles for sale & thoroughly disgusting in the 21st century (even the corrupt American system isn't that bad)
And droves of votes going the other way.....Blair ****ed it. though after 18 years of Thatcher its understandable why people were suckered in by 'new' Labour. Just as before that, people were sick of living under Callaghans 'Winter of discontent' in 78 and so voted for The Witch, before Callaghan it was Heath and the 3 day week with the power cuts ......Politics is a pendulum of ideologies none of which work for all. They all lower taxes to gain the populist vote. Then struggle to run the country ....doh! At least when I was in my angry 20's I could stand at the football and get the frustrations out of my head. Now I can't even sit in my tiny excuse for a seat and boo a lazy player copping £40k a week without some spotty prick telling me I'm 'not a real fan' Corbyn? Be careful what you wish for......
There is no easy way to run a country in my humble opinion and as has been said above, lurching from one ideology to another is not the answer but is in itself expensive. Look at the NHS reforms for example when they were split into trusts, each with their own logos, letterheads etc (and that is just the loose change of the costs). I don't know what the answer is but I doubt for all of his 'honesty' that Corbyn is the answer. The world has moved on and left people like him some way behind I am afraid. His vision would have been more suited to the large industrial businesses employing thousand sof workers who were unionised and in need of some protection. That society finished ages ago and does not resonate today.
You're ****ing joking apart from an illegal war and sexed up WMD documents Blair was a success for this country. Huge period of growth, recruited over 40,000 nurses & Dr's, created tax credits, record low waiting lists, record low A&E waiting times etc etc. And before people say they bankupted the country, they didn't. The banks did that by buying into the sub prime mortgage market in the US. Piss poor regulations were created by John Major (which Labour continued admitedly) which allowed the banks to piss about. What choice did Labour have but to prop up the banks? Also all the trillions we pumped into the banks which is what bankrupted UK plc why are the banks not paying it back??? If the banks repaid their debts the country would be rolling in it, so why are they not??? NHS splitting was started by the Tories, Labour were very wrong to use PFI to build new hospitals which is bankrupting the Trusts now. If the Tories had left the NHS alone it'd not be in the mess it's in now. . Election pledge in 2010 "No top down reorganisation of the NHS" As soon as he gets in spunks over £10bn of NHS budget reorganising it & all they've done is make it worse! The world has not "moved on" if this is the case why are tens of thousands signing on to his cause? It's really pissing me off all this extreme left bullshit. It's NOT radical left he's not an extremist he just looks that way because the rest of parliament has lurched ridiculously to the right and anyone else is branded dangerous and an extremist. It's ****ing ridiculous. Cancelling BSF was another huge cock up by Cameron, we've now got a huge problem with lack of school places especially at primary and no way of sorting it out because there's no money. Up until my medical "retirement" this year I worked in schools and I can tell you since 2010 the schools income has been reduced by 5% EVERY YEAR! I'm not saying Corbyn is the answer, I'm not saying he's 100% right BUT austerity isn't working (we haven't paid any of the debt off and Tories borrowed in 5 years more than Labour did in 13). Welfare cuts in the wrong places are killing people, benefit sanctions targets are killing people, 21st century and people are relying on handouts to eat that shouldn't happen. Anyway no government gets it right, Labour got a lot right last time but they got stuff wrong too, this current lot are appalling and need stopping. I think given the other 3 candidates are essentially the same, believe in austerity, back the Tories in a lot of things & offer nothing "new" I don't see the harm in listening to Corbyn who is at least offering an alternative to the same old same old.
I'm not getting involved in this one, I've made a decision to avoid all political debate on here for fear of falling out, but to be honest I don't need to as Rich has hit the nail absolutely on the head for me already
I'd just like to say I'm really grateful this thread hasn't descended into bickering & name calling. Personally I think it takes a lot of balls to debate politics because it does get vicious etc and have nothing but respect for others who take the time to not only be informed & have an opinion but to also share it & debate it. Perhaps forums are a great way of getting younger people interested & discussing politics. It's very pleasing to see the amount of young adults engaging with the political process because they have someone who largely represents their views (esp given the libdems collapse). Imho no one is right or wrong it's having the discussion that matters
Very well said Rich, it is difficult to see the other point of view, but it must be seen because sometimes, even idiots stumble across a positive!
Why bother trying to improve things? We might as well just give up, focus on ourselves and hope when the riots come we are in a house with big enough walls. You do realise the only way for us to progress as a country and as humans is to stop buying into the idea that we can do nothing about the tiny % of people trying to run the world in their image (Greed, Consumerism, Selfishness). It makes me so mad when people say "That's just how the world is". It's only that way because YOU (Not you personally Thurnby, this is a collective "you") are either too selfish, or too poorly informed to realise that things needs to change. The reason Bernie Sanders has gotten so much support in America is because he if finally saying the things that the majority of the young and educated socialist population want to here at the same time as just making sense. We can't go on in a consumerist manner that ruins the planet and leaves millions in poverty and suffering. We can't go on treating those with money like royalty. We can't go on distracting ourselves with reality TV and fast food! The continuous dumbing down is going to have serious problems before long.
Let's just vote Katie Hopkins into power! Sorted! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015...d-put-the-elderly-to-sleep-says-katie-hopkins
You just have to look at the fact that this woman is a TV personality to see that something is wrong in our society.
I always laugh when i hear people harp on about the winter of disconnect and the 3 day week blah blah blah as if none of this has happened under the tories... This country is in a worst state for a lot of people today than back then. Poverty is rife, Working people on low wages are worse off, the old and the vulnerable have to make a choice between heat or eat, we have no control over immigration, The armed forces have been slashed too far and are poorly equipped. The NHS is a mess. You have to book in advance to see a doctor if you are sick as there is no way they will visit your homes anymore. The country has been going down hill for 30 years or more and unless something happens people will die needlessly.... We are called Great Britain......that's a laugh.
Additionally, why does it matter that 30 years ago an entirely different group of people were involved in a national crisis? Fail to see how that's relevant to now.
Despicable scheming Tories http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrible-tories-trample-pensions-war-6167172 I can't believe they are so scheming, they waited to STEAL 50% of war grave gardeners pensions until after the WW1 centenary. I cannot describe how angry this makes me, it saves an insignificant amount of money yet it means a lot to the employees. It's theft pure & simple they've paid in under these terms then when they go to retire we'll have that back thanks. How much more would we save by forcing lazy MPs to walk short distances instead of being chauffeur driven 500 yards, or get rid of Westminster bar subsidy or clamp down on expenses etc etc all of those could potentially save more than £11m....
