O/t jobless culture of the north east

Polotics is politics, they're all devious bastards, but fact if we've got one devious party who represent the rich and want to widen the distances between classes, and another devious party that represents the poor and wants to narrow the distance between the classes. Despite me thinking Miliband is not the man to lead the country, I still want Labour to win the election.


Anybody remember the tory angle in the run up to the last elections when Labour said they would borrow, the Tories kicked up a fuss about Labour not learning from the past and it would be dangerous to vote labour. They made it a big part of their campaign, the Tory party promising they won't borrow because of the risks are too great and Labour will borrow and plummet us into further financial ruin as a recovery could not happen while the country was still borrowing, well guess what? They lied, they lied to the public and they lied to their voters, as they have been borrowing. Labour was correct, we could borrow and recover. The Tories knew full well this was possible to but blagged the country it wasn't, then broke their own policy. Pathetic, beyond a white lie.

 

The political economic facts are that Labour will borrow to maintain a manageable debt, just like most households, when the Tories have the great need for people to live frugally within their means. However, no matter who governs they are within the control of global economics based in Wall Street.

 

Wrong!! They expect the poor to middle income folk to live frugally whilst giving tax breaks etc to allow the rich to get richer..

 

Doesn't matter who you vote, just exchanging one ****ing for another. Take some tart with blonde hair & no makeup on, dye her hair black, slap a bit of lip stick on & eyeliner, still the same tart. All the same, some **** with extortionate amounts of money will be pulling the strings of parliament behind the scenes.

 

Where I live it doesn't matter who you vote for as Labour will always win it.
You're right like, one ****er for another.

The three main parties will do anything to maintain the status quo.
The very idea that another party might push one of them into fourth place terrifies them all.

 

Mate you need to stop reading the Tory press and watching Murdoch TV.

There's no denying in hindsight he made errors and should have had more foresight over the situation, but so should others in government and worldwide. He wasn't alone in this!
The worldwide banking system was going into melt down and there was a good chance we could have had another Great Depression and banks going down with OUR money in them.

Browns bravery to put government money into the banks was derided by the Tories and they were over the moon when the Germans and Americans said he was wrong. Didn't last long mind when Merkel's government did the same and the Americans and most other countries followed suit.

And his cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people during a recession was also derided and it's only now the money men actually agree it led to our economy growing.

But don't believe me try Paul Krugman the worldwide respected economist. (A Nobel prize winner.)

"Mr Brown and Alistair Darling, the chancellor of the Exchequer ... have defined the character of the worldwide rescue effort, with other wealthy nations playing catch-up."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/3189371/Paul-Krugman-wins-Nobel-economics-prize-and-praises-Gordon-Brown.html

 

Power Billy mate, and the perks that come with it. These ****s will lie until there blue in the face to maintain it, imagine bringing in a law where they would be held to a criminal charge if they did not hold up there promises once they were voted into power? ****, would be the most silent debate you would ever hear.

 

Oh by the way the PFI was started by John Majors Tory government.
And most of the problems with it are happening now as economists are saying the Tories are being too generous with the contracts. IE making rich people richer instead of services better.
The way Brown was running it if the PFI's didn't do their job, they didn't get paid.

One thing I don't like about them is lending public money to the PFI's
FFS! giving rich people loans to make more money and then pay the loan back.
That makes no sense to me.

 

Well indeed.
An election manifesto should be a legally binding document as Dennis Skinner suggested.
Can you ever see it coming into force?

 

Unfortunately not mate, like getting a straight forward yes or no answer from one of them. All around the block hitting on everything under the sun apart from the question that was asked then moving on to another subject. Got no love for any of these ****s, born from rich families with the best education but never being able to agree on one single policy from one party to another? Something like that just doesn't make sense even to a working class bottom rung of the ladder creature like myself, makes you wonder if it is all just a ****ing ploy to keep the likes of us divided by loyalty to one party or another when deep down anyone with the slightest bit of instinct would realize that there is something seriously wrong with the whole set up. If not for them then certainly for us.

 

I would love that Billy.

I agree about the politicians too, there's not a lot to choose between the lot of them.
Just shades of grey.
But to me Labour is still the best of a frankly bad bunch.

The last politician I actually respected was my own MP Chris Mullin a man I felt I could trust.
Pity he retired.

 

Aye, if one of them told me the date I'd have to check the calendar.

 

Aye, it's a bit like been asked it you'd rather be shot, stabbed, drowned or strangled.

 

Something like that would nail a lot of people up but could backfire massively, it could mean poor and unthought polices being pushed through.

This is Interesting. Tories are ****ing clowns.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9617519/37-coalition-climbdowns-u-turns-and-row-backs.html

37 coalition climbdowns, u-turns and row backs
Margaret Thatcher once made a virtue of her refusal to climb down when she said "the lady's not for turning", but as her successors in the Coalition announce their latest volte-face, here is the full list of government u-turns up to 23 Oct 2012

1. Destruction of buzzard nests
The Government announced plans to control escalating numbers of buzzards on shooting estates by taking them into captivity and destroying their nests.
But there was an outcry from the RSPB who said the plan was cruel and a “scandalous waste of public money”.
Just days later Wildlife minister Richard Benyon dropped the propsals.

2. Pasty tax
George Osborne controversially proposed in the Budget that any food served above ambient temperature would be taxed at 20% to address an "anomaly" in the system but the plan sparked protests from bakeries and claims that the levy would hit millions of working class Britons who enjoyed pasties and pies for lunch.
The backlash against the tax even saw a tabloid newspaper hire an actress dressed as Marie Antoinette to follow the Chancellor in an attempt to demand a rethink.
Mr Osborne has now written to Andrew Tyrie, chairman of the Treasury select committee, to announce he was backing down.
3. Caravan tax
A planned tax on static caravans at a 20% rate provoked a rebellion of 18 coalition MPs, including 17 Tories.
It is now due to be scaled back to 5%. Static caravans currently do not attract any VAT. The change is also being delayed from October to April 2013.
The climbdown appears well-timed coming just before the extended Jubilee bank holiday when tens of thousands of Britons are expected to head to the West country for summer breaks.
4. Secret justice
Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke has agreed to a "substantial" climbdown over plans for secret justice .
While the plans mean that civil courts will for the first time hear evidence behind the closed doors to protect national security, inquests have been excluded from the new powers.
The final plans are much narrower than the original proposals which would have allowed ministers to decide, and on grounds where it was "in the public interest".
5. Euro veto
Last December, David Cameron was lionised by Eurosceptic Tory MPs when he vetoed a new EU treaty to deepen further fiscal union among eurozone countries but they later accused him of "appeasing" his deputy Nick Clegg by circumventing the move.
The Prime Minister had pledged to stop the eurozone using the European courts and Brussels institutions to uphold its own, breakaway fiscal pact being set up outside the EU treaty but later dropped the threat during negotiations.
It was claimed that the climbdown rendered the veto ineffective while one MP warned of the danger of Mr Cameron "waving the white flag".
6. Employment law reform
Further Coalition tensions forced a re-think on a controversial Government-commissioned report by venture capitalist Adrian Beecroft on employment law reform, which called for "compulsory no-fault dismissal" - allowing businesses to dismiss unproductive workers without explanation by simply offering a redundancy payment.
The proposal was rejected by Business Secretary Vince Cable, who described it as "complete nonsense".
David Cameron was also accused of suppressing key recommendations in the report that warned the Colaition's family-friendly policies would undermine Britain's economic recovery.
7. Joint strike fighter
Earlier this month, the Government announced a major retreat over aircraft for the Royal Navy's new carriers, abandoning plans to buy the conventional take-off verson of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
It reversed one of the central decisions in the Coalition's controversial defence review.
The U-turn, announced by Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, is expected to result in hundreds of millions of pounds in savings, but led to accusaations of a climbdown driven by financial miscalculation.
8. Sentencing
Last June, David Cameron ordered Kenneth Clarke to scrap plans to let criminals who plead guilty to have their sentences halved after they sparked an outcry.
Mr Clarke had caused controversy by announcing that an early guilty plea would result in a 50% sentence reduction, including for rapists, as part of plans to make savings in the Ministry of Justice budget.
After crisis talks with Mr Cameron, rapists were excluded from the plan, but after a weekend of wrangling, the Prime Minister announced that no criminal would be able to get their sentence reduced in that way.
9. Health reforms
It came just a week after Health Secretary Andrew Lansley's proposals to extend competition on health provision were significantly scaled back.
The reforms attracted widespread criticism from the medical profession and unions and, following a report, the Prime Minister agreed to make what he described as "real changes" to the bill.
But he faced accusations from backbench Tories who believed Mr Lansley had been "hung out to dry" to appease Liberal Democrat critics.
10. Forest sell-off
Another U-turn last year came when Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman's plans to sell off England's publicly-owned forests were dropped after opponents including Tory backbenchers, environmentalists, and the Archbishop of Canterbury mounted a backlash.
The policy, announced on January 17, was gone by February 17, when Mrs Spelman was forced to admit to the Commons: "We got this one wrong."
A day earlier, David Cameron had embarrassed her by frankly admitting he was not happy with the policy - after more than 500,000 people signed an online petition protesting about the move.
11. State retirement age for women
Last October, thousands of women who would have been heavily penalised by a planned increase in the state retirement age were reprieved after a Coalition climbdown.
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith announced that women who would have seen a two-year increase to their state pension age would have their wait reduced to 18 months, following pressure from pensions campaigners and women's groups.
Mr Duncan Smith brokered the deal with the Treasury, at a time when David Cameron was said to be pursuing a series of policies designed to appeal to women.
12. Anonymity for rape defendants
In November 2010, ministers quietly shelved a pledge to grant anonymity to rape defendants after admitting there was no evidence to establish what impact it would have.
The plans had been announced following a spate of cases in which men were falsely accused of rape but they sparked outrage among legal experts and women's groupd and the Government was forced into the embarrassing climbdown.
There were concerns that anonymity would prevent further victims of a defendant coming forward - particularly following the case of London taxi rapist John Worboys, suspected of attacking 100 women. Many had initially had their complaints dismissed by police but came forward after publicity about his arrest.
13. Personal photographer on public payroll
In the same month, David Cameron backed down following criticism of his decision to employ his personal photographer Andrew Parsons and filmmaker Nicky Woodhouse on the public payroll as civil servants paid by the taxpayer.
Mr Cameron bowed to criticism and decided that the two would return to work for the Conservative Party, which had previously employed them.
It came just a day after the Prime Minister had publicly defended the decision to put Mr Parsons on the public payroll as a cost-saving measure.
14. Free school milk cuts
Downing Street stamped on a suggestion in August 2010 that free school milk for under-fives should be scrapped.
Health minister Ann Milton had said that the scheme was too expensive and there was no evidence it benefited children.
But aides to David Cameron made clear he "did not like the idea" of cancelling free milk, and that it would "not be happening".
15. Bookstart funding
In December 2010, the Government promised to continue funding a scheme which provides free books for children, following a backlash from authors over plans to scrap state support.
The U-turn followed criticism from a number of well-known writers including Philip Pullman and Sir Andrew Motion, who had condemned the Colaition's plans to withdraw funding from the Bookstart scheme as "wanton destruction" and an act of "gross cultural vandalism".
Booktrust, the charity which runs Bookstart, providing a package of books to parents when their babies are born with more as the children grow older, had been told in the week before Christmas that it would lose its entire £13 million grant in England.
16. Financial Inclusion Fund
Ministers announced in January last year that the £27 million-a-year Financial Inclusion Fund, which paid for specialist advisers to help sick or vulnerable people who became trapped in serious debt, would be scrapped.
But a month later the Government found the money to continue the service for another 12 months.
The fund pays for about 500 specialist debt advisers in England and Wales, who help 100,000 people with complex cases each year, the BBC reported.
17. Housing benefit cut for jobless
In February last year, ministers dropped plans to slash housing benefit by 10% for anyone out of work for more than a year, after they were blocked by Nick Clegg.
The last-minute U-turn came about just a week after Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Dunca Smith announced maintained that the cut would be kept.
He argued that it gave unemployed people an incentive to find work, but the measure was seen by many Liberal Democrats as punishing the poor twice, the Guardian reported.
18. Immigration pledge
David Cameron watered down his commitment to cutting net immigration to the "tens of thousands" after reportedly coming under pressure from Liberal Democrat Coalition colleagues.
The Prime Minister conceded during a BBC interview in April last year that the reduction was an "ambition" rather than Government policy.
Nick Clegg and Business Secretary Vince Cable had complained that the pledge was not part of the programme that the Liberal Democrats had signed up to, the Financial Times reported.
19. Coastguard cuts
In July last year, it emerged that plans to close coastguard stations around Britain were being scaled back after warnings that the cuts could put lives at risk.
Proposals would have seen the number of stations reduced from 19 to eight - of which only three would operate around the clock - in a move to save £7.5 million a year.
But ministers later decided that 11 would stay open rather than eight, and that all the surviving stations would continue to operate 24 hours a day.
20. Circus animals ban
The Government was accused of a U-turn on banning wild animals in circuses in May last year, despite public demands to end the use of performing elephants.
Defra said any circus in England that wished to use animals such as tigers, lions and elephants would have to meet tough standards before it would be granted a licence.
But campaigners said the failure to bring in a ban, a move which was backed by 94 per cent of people responding to a public consultation, was disastrous.
21. World Service cuts
Planned cuts to the BBC World Service were partly reversed when Foreign Secretary William Hague announced that an extra £2.2 million a year was being allocated to shore up the service's Arabic service, in June last year.
Huge cuts had been announced earlier in the year, resulting in a backlash from politicians from all sides.
A Whitehall official was disciplined after describing the reverse as a "massive U-turn" on the Foreign Office website.
22. Mobility benefit cut
Plans to do away with some benefit payments to disabled people living in care homes were dropped.
Ministers had planned to axe the "mobility" part of the Disability Living Allowance - worth £51-a-week - for those in residential care, in a move affecting up to 80,000 people.
It argued that councils' contracts with care homes should cover residents' mobility needs but charities and campaigners said the payment was a lifeline that helped people visit family and friends and attend doctors' appoinments. Work and Pensions minister Maria Miller told MPs last December that the plans had been dropped, the BBC reported.
23. Youth Justice Board
Last November, Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke announced that he was saving the much-criticised quango responsible for youth justice.
Plans to abolish the Youth Justice Board were abandoned amid fears the Government faced a humiliating defeat by peers.
The YJB had been in line for the axe under the so-called "bonfire of the quangos". The body, which oversees the management of young offenders, had been criticised as ineffective, expensive and overly bureaucratic.
24. Chief coroner
In the same month, Mr Clarke abandoned controversial plans to ditch the post of chief coroner - amid heavy opposition from the Royal British Legion.
The move averted a likely rebellion when the planned changes came before the House of Lords.
The Legion had conducted a year-long campaign to save the post, which was introduced by Labour to streamline inquests and make it easier and quicker for families of troops killed in action to find out how they died.

 

25. Knife crime sentencing
Mr Clarke was involved in another U-turn last October when it was announced that a mandatory minimum four-month prison sentence for 16- and 17-year-olds found guilty of "aggravated" knife offences would be introduced.
It came just days after the Justice Secretary had made clear his personal opposition to the use of mandatory sentences at a hearing of the Commons home affairs committee, the Guardian reported.
Mr Clarke was reported to have repeatedly clashed behind the scenes with Home Secretary Theresa May over the issue.
It followed a manifesto promise that everyone caught carrying a knife would be jailed, which was ditched over the cost of locking up thousands more offenders a year.
26. Domestic violence protection orders
In November 2010, a scheme to give police more powers to remove perpetrators of domestic violence from the family home was saved after complaints that plans to scrap it would worsen the plight of victims of the abuse.
It had emerged earlier in the year that Home Secretary Theresa May intended to halt the plans to create Domestic Violence Protection Orders, which give enable officers to take instant action against offenders.
She told charities she had taken the decision to save money and because of problems with the legislation to set up the orders, but after protests she ordered a fresh review and changed her mind, The Independent reported.
27. Ofsted snap school inspections
Michael Gove signalled a climb down earlier this month on "no notice" school inspections after claims that Ofsted was adopting "Spanish Inquisition" tactics.
Snap inspections, in which inspectors turn up at the school gates unannounced, were due to start in September, and Sir Michael Wilshaw, the head of Ofsted, argued that they were necessary to give parents a true picture of what was going on in schools.
But Mr Gove said teachers deserved to be warned of an impending visit.
28. Child benefit
In March, it emerged that George Osborne was preparing to water down plans to strip middle class families of child benefit, in an attempt to head off a backbench rebellion.
The Chancellor had previously said that from January 2013 anyone earning above the 40 per cent tax rate threshold of £42,745 a year, would lose the benefit.
But it emerged that Treasury officials were examining plans to raise the threshold after the cuts were heavily criticised for punishing "stay-at-home mothers".
29. Video games tax relief
The Government pledged in March to grant tax breaks to the computer games industry, in a U-turn on a decision less than two years ago to strip the sector of them.
It followed a campaign for tax relief by developers, over a number of years, to help staunch a brain drain to countries such as Canada, which offer generous financial concessions, the Financial Times reported.
In March 2010, Labour promised the sector tax relief similar to that given to the film industry, but it was scrapped two months later after the Coalition came to power.
30. NHS targets
Last November, the Government was accused of a U-turn on NHS targets after it introduced a new rule to halt the growing number of patients not being treated within 18 weeks.
Health Secretary Andrew Lansley had previously criticised waiting times measures introduced by Labour to speed up patient care as "arbitrary Whitehall targets".
But after fresh evidence that waiting times were creeping up, Mr Lansley imposed an extra treatment directive on the NHS, warning that no more than 8% of patients waiting at any one time would be allowed to have their treatments delayed by 18 weeks or more, the Guardian reported.
31. Plans to recall MPs
In December, ministers were accused of watering down proposals under which MPs guilty of serious wrongdoing could lose their seats if 10% of voters in their constituencies signed a petition to "recall" them.
The plans tighten up current rules, which allow MPs to keep their seats unless they are jailed for more than a year, but Labour said they were weakened by the fact that people would not be allowed to order a recall petition themselves.
Instead, such a petition would need to be triggered by a vote in the House of Commons or by an MP being sentenced to prison for 12 months or less.
32. Charity Tax
Plans to impose a cap on donations to charities were shelved following an outcry from philanthropists and charities.
The cap - limiting relief at £50,000 or 25% of income - was proposed in Mr Osborne's March 21 Budget but sparked massive protests from the charitable sector which claimed it would lose a significant proportion of its income.
The about-turn is likely to cost the Gocvernment between £50million and £100million.
33. Petrol duty
George Osborne scrapped a 3p rise in fuel duty due in August in a £550 million Budget U-turn.
The Chancellor had been under pressure to abandon the planned rise in fuel prices as household incomes are squeezed by the economic slowdown.
The announcement, made in the House of Commons during a regular session of Treasury questions, surprised many MPs and came hours after Labour had called for the rise to be scrapped.
34. Assault payouts
Plans to cut compensation payments to victims of domestic violence were abandoned in September
The Ministry of Justice wanted to limit payments under the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme so only victims suffering serious injuries could receive a payout. It hoped to save taxpayers £50 million from a bill of £449 million last year.
But critics claimed the move would leave victims unable to seek redress and accused the Government of putting deficit reduction before victims.
35. West Coast mainline
This month, ministers were forced into an embarrassing climbdown over awarding of the West Coast mainline to First Group ahead of Sir Richard Branson's Virgin, which was already running the rail route.
Virgin launched a legal action challenging the decision and when the bidding process was reviewed it had to be cancelled after "significant technical flaws" were discovered.
The fiasco resulted in two inquiries and will cost taxpayers £40 million refunding firms which bid for the contract. It also meant the bid process having to be re-run and in the mean time the line continuing to be run by Virgin.
36. Energy tariffs
Ministers appeared to row back from an announcement by David Cameron that energy suppliers would be forced to switch customers onto the cheapest tariffs.
It led to claims that the Government's policy was a shambles after it appeared that ministers and officials from the Department of Energy had been taken by surprise by the announcement.
The energy industry was also said to have been unaware of the plan in advance, with experts immediately warning that it could cause further suffering from consumers, with companies withdrawing competitive rates and offering a single tariff.
37. Badger cull
A scheduled cull of badgers to stop the spread of bovine tuberculosis was cancelled days before it was due to start, following dogged campaigning by critics who said the science behind the shoot was flawed. .
The cull was called off after more badgers than anticipated were found in two areas selected for pilot trials of the cull - Gloucestershire and Somerset.
That meant that ministers could not be confident that exterminators could achieve their target of reducing the size of the badger population by 70 per cent to 80 per cent - the level needed in order for the cull to be effective - within their six week target.

 

**** me Brian, that was some read!

 

You read it? ****ing mad men