Jesus Tommy, if we didn't disagree with things that differ to our viewpoint, this would be the least fun board to post on in the world ever! He doesn't agree with you, he's being a bit pissy about telling you, it's the hull city board, he's BCC.....get it? Just roll with it, call him a **** and join the thrilling discussion about imaginary places and borders.
I'm really not. I'm as amazed as I said I am. So let me get this straight, you've an inner gas right that looks exactly like your skin did when it was laid upon your skeleton, muscles and internal organs? That's amazing.
Nobody said that though, did they? At what point did anybody say gas? If your scientific understanding ends at solids, liquids and gasses and a basic understanding of human anatomy then there is literally no point carrying on the debate. That's the kind of comment I was referring to, by the way.
ah....the mystery.... .[video=youtube;JNalMWLnt0o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNalMWLnt0o[/video] ....????[video=youtube;Sh5GCwt9PDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh5GCwt9PDs[/video]
What are you getting at? That I'm not practising what I'm preaching? Your responses are condascending. I wasn't trying to be condascending, I can only go on what you give me fella, so if you think I'm being patronising, it's because you haven't given me enough of your insight to go on and I can only base my responses on what you say; all you've banged on about is magic, human shaped gas, which to me sounds like a childish attempt to be a piss-artist about the whole thing. If that's genuinely the extent of your scientific knowledge and you aren't a science buff fine, then say so. You've yet to give a valid response to any of my points, other than pointing me back to the ones I've made.
So if I'm patronising or condescending it's my fault, and if you are it's my fault? As long as I know. And why do you keep wittering on about science? I never mentioned science in any of my posts (until now).
So you're telling me that the following was not meant in any way to be condescending towards me? Although, granted, you never used the word science, what you refer to as a 'magic gas' or 'magic spirit' seems like an interpretation of what I spoke of energy transfer. Which is, among other things, science.
Oh and for the record, they both mean pretty much the same thing. Not to sound patronising. Or, for that matter, condescending.
All this "just because it doesn't match your viewpoint" is bollocks though isn't it? I'd imagine he doesn't believe in ghosts because it's so utterly ridiculous.
Bloody good they are too, I was full of 'spirits' the last time I saw them...talking of which... [video=youtube;8aZsF7v0pNw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aZsF7v0pNw[/video]
But again, what makes it so ridiculous that people live on after death? I'm not a fan of religion by any means so this isn't driven by that, but what is it that makes belief in paranormal things so strange? Is it a social thing, that people wouldn't like to admit that they do because they'd become pariahs? Or is it because there isn't a genuine scientific explaination for it, which apparently renders it ridiculous? I haven't seen science (or religion for that matter) wholeheartedly prove or disprove the existence of ghosts. Maybe it's because they have something better to do, I don't know. But outside of the physical limitations of actual garnering proof/disproval for their existance, isn't it a comfort to some people thinking they've seen a ghost of somebody they loved, even if it was a hallucination? I once thought I'd spoken to my Grandfather, who passed away when I was 14. It was the middle of the night and I came down and he was sat at the table. I asked him what Heaven was like and he said it was lovely, I'd love it. We chatted for a bit and I went to bed. Now, I remember telling my parents about it the next day and they barracked me for weeks because it'd be all I'd talk about, telling me I was seeing things and that I was going mental and that if I didn't pipe down they'd get me seen to by psychiatrists (I assume in medical way, not in a private buggering session, which would have been odd). I was a pretty normal kid; I had a girlfriend, I mucked about in the park with my mates, played football, went to watch city, did my homework and played a bit of N64. I loved my Grandfather so much that when he died, I couldn't bear it. So seeing him one last time and speaking to him really helped. Whether what I saw or not was actually happening, whether I was walking about but seeing things, lucid dreaming, whatever, is by the by. I felt so much better knowing he was still existing somewhere else and even better, there was a chance I'd see him again somewhere in the future. I was so angry at my parents, because they had this pre conceived notion that because what I had said sounded so far-fetched it couldn't possibly happen (and I could see it from their point of view) and yet it did. I wasn't trying to make them believe me, just to accept that what I thought I had seen was just as credible as their own reasonings. Eventually (probably out of exhaustion), they caved and my mother actually found it quite touching that I went to those lengths for her Dad, whom she was also close to. So in the end, I guess it doesn't matter if it's real or not. If it is, then great, but maybe what's more important is the feeling it compells within the person experiencing it. If they feel fear during their encounter (with a ghost or whatever), they are more likely to rationalize it by saying 'it's a gust of wind' or 'it's an animal' whereas if they're at ease, they're going to be more positive and try to defend what they saw by reasoning in their own way (kinda like how I did). If you've never had a paranormal experience, or had something happen that you couldn't explain, I guess you can't really understand the drive you get from trying to fathom it out. The human brain is driven by knowledge and it fears the unknown. It's why you still get a little tweek when the lights go out, or you walk at night by yourself.
