Have to say I'm a bit surprised by your attitude about the old bill, and have to say I find it sad and a real shame to read a post from someone I almost always agree with peddling a load of anti-police propaganda. Yes, those incidents you mentioned were handled badly by the police, or certainly a few individuals within the police service, but you've had to go back thirty odd years to dig up some examples, that's an entire generation ago. Why is it people always use those same examples when trying to criticise the police and not personal examples of when they have come into contact with them? There are more than 35,000 Met Police officers and of course when you get a sample that size there will be a fair few wrong uns, but I think it's shocking to label an entire profession as bad or untrustworthy as a result. Are all Norwich fans mindless racists because of those two idiots at the Wolves game, let alone because of something that happened 25 years ago? And don't get me started on Bin Laden and September 11th....
I don`t like the idea of all my emails texts and phone calls being monitored to protect us from Terrorism that is absolute bullshit, i don`t like being filmed by CCTV every second of every day that i leave my apartment to prevent crime and a society that agrees to all this protection from the government is basically selling it`s civil liberties. We are already living in an Orwellian nightmare in major cities and the government want even more control. I was arrested without charge a few years ago and although i had not committed a crime my DNA was taken and will be kept on a database forever. Maybe London is slightly different but it`s pretty much 1984 already.
None of that stuff bothers me in the slightest, Google knows far more about what you enjoy doing than our security services I can assure you. Makes me laugh when people complain about their privacy being snooped into whilst posting photos of what they had for their breakfast on Facebook at the same time. Just wait until you're the victim of a crime and that CCTV works in your favour, you might change your mind slightly.
To an extent but if you're not using Gmail as an example they don't see my emails our secret service certainly can and the US too point is yes they can look but they're only going to actively look if you set something off somewhere first. Well until whoever in power decides to start cracking down on whoever they don't like. As for police there's good and there's bad same as everywhere else it's just bad apple in the police have a better position to express it than say a shelf stacker at tesco. OK recent point police collusion with the BBC over Cliff, now someone's been naughty somewhere going right back to how the BBC reporter knew before they even had a warrant. So in all likelihood someone working for the force leaked it, question is was it "sanctioned" and if not were they paid? If you think all those "issues" are solely in the past and it's all whiter than white now then that's a fantasy there will always be people who let the side down in all walks of life. I saw first hand 5 years ago someone called a met office a pig as they drove past, I heard it they must've lip read it. Within a minute this person was laying face down bleeding, they were not challenged first it was night stick out smack. At tjis point it was suggested I leave and not look back! Doesn't mean all police are nasty doesn't mean they're all great either
In the states they are already planning to micro chip newborn babies to store all their information under Obamacare , the chips will hold their medical history so if they go to hospital in an emergency a quick beep and all the patients info is up on the screen. They can introduce bank details too ,we then become property of the state and will have no free will. Yes that`s extreme but people will sign up to it if they think the government is protecting them . The homeland security bills that Bush and Obama rushed through have given the government the power to detain someone indefinitely for no reason and to seize his property. The technology is there already to make us digital prisoners in our own home .
Sorry Munky but Coulson was not 30 years ago. The innocent bystander clubbed to the ground was not 30 years ago. The last time the Police let Savill slip through their fingers was not 30 years ago. In any event most of these things only come to light years later. Of course all coppers are not wrong uns but in their position none of them should be. FIFA is corrupt but not everybody who works for them is. Criminals and terrorists will not use traceable phone or electronic methods so why give the Police the powers now given to them? Even the European Court said it was not necessary. I'm not anti Police - I am anti corruption and anti incompetence. I also think that we are entitled to privacy.
We do have our privacy for heaven's sake, dear me!! Do you really think there's a dedicated police department full of people taking notes and writing down everything we say and write on the internet? It's called intelligence gathering, and it will be mostly targeted at people with genuine links to criminality, much of it will be the rapid emergence of cyber crime which is worth billions to the underworld. I assure you the police don't have money sloshing around to be able to afford to sit around spying on Joe Public without reason There are billions of texts, phone calls and e-mails sent every month - do you really think the police employ people to casually reading through them all, building up a dossier on everyone??!! It's all on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc for a lot of people nowadays anyway! Re: the FIFA comparison, the big difference is that the blatant corruption there is at the very top of the tree, with the big people who make the big decisions. The bad apples in the police force (and of course there are some, as in any walk of life as we all agree) generally tend to be from much further down the food chain. One final point about the police is the quality and service is likely to deteriorate in the next few years due to the crippling 20% budget cuts, resulting in lots of the best and most experienced cops either being pensioned off as they cost too much, or have become so disillusioned by the ill-informed opinionated s**t they receive by all and sundry that they've taken early retirement to be replaced by hundreds of wet behind the ears, inexperienced recruits, many who wouldn't have met the standard in recent years. It's an accident waiting to happen.
Ah, now if you're talking about the police in America we might be having a different conversation altogether. By the way I reckon Cliff is pleased we've changed the subject at least
Pretty much agree with Munky.This DNA/CCTV stuff is hyped as is E mail monitoring.The benefits to the average citizen far outweigh the drawbacks.As for CR I think there may be an element of "Too big to fail" about this one.I fully expect him to walk.
Tell that to someone caught out popping over the Dartford crossing to see his crumpet and a detective gets a hold of his darttag info.... Makes me laugh the worst privacy breach londoners carry around all day, Oyster card if they start looking at you they can track every single journey, no one thinks about that. Dna is a bit different, anyone using the nothing to hide argument doesn't understand the science and how easy it is to **** it up (shouldn't happen but it can)
I would suggest you don't understand the science behind DNA. It isn't easy to mess up a DNA test. I've taken them. , watched hundreds be taken. Also studied genetics at uni, and thats carp. You might get inconclusive but that isn't getting a test wrong. You can purposely mess one up, but Clearly the police don't go about messing up DNA tests for japes. Or are you saying that you think they do? Fancy thinking Rolf is innocent? He's admitted it, several times. He hasn't got a leg to stand on. He groomed his daughters friend from a young age, took advantage of his status and situation and has been punished accordingly. It absolutely happened and it was absolutely wrong. Known about all these high profile cases for ages due to friends in various child services. In Cliff's case though, he's known they were onto him for a while, so likely the only evidence now will be victims coming forward. it's happened, just whether they can prove it and get the conviction. Hence the media storm around searching his house. Which has stoked up others to come forward. I'm confident they knew there was nothing to find. You won't find too many young boys in Barbados coming forward though. It's a country that would likely shun any young boy who did so. But they will be out there. He's been very clever by all accounts. I just hope the police are cleverer. Give 'elm guest house' 'cliff' a quick google when you get a moment. Scary things ran this high up. As for Oyster...what do you think anyone would actually do with that info? Know where you work and area you live. Yikes. I can go on 192 and find that out in less time that it takes to check through oyster records. It's more that nobody cares, rather than not realising.
But why on earth would anybody want to??? And what does your first sentence mean? I think some people have perhaps been paying too much attention to the movies and need to take a step back into reality.
