But is that not what Mito is saying Tobes...Hodge has an oustanding ability to insure he gets the very least out of his picks. It's all half his old style half pandering to calls for the players to play this year's "Liverpool way" and getting the worst of both. Mito was suggesting that Rooney shouldn't have got that level of criticism due to above so why should we even that up when we believe it's the same reason we didn't see the best of Gerrard or Henderson or even Sturridge..? Just sounds tribal. It's supposed to be the country not the club. Hodge gets away with it when people resort to "your player was worse than our player" Here's a thought Tobes what, with exactly the same squad do you think Martinez would do?
ah so this is the point. You and i can agree on this totally... but does hodgson. I would totally agree with you that is a world of such fine attacking full backs as baines and coleman that holding players do indeed have to do this... but... does hodgson? what was gerrard told to do and what was rooney and what was sturridge.... thats the question... even what was henderosn told to do seeing i've seen him getting a lashing as well on the night yet is escaping here such is the desire to pin it now on gerrard. seeing as once more... i agree with greez... I'd have rooney in which is the main bone of contention.
I dont think the problem is an individual person. I just think a bit more composure and dare is needed. France are noot much different to us in terms of quality. They were really tidy and organised yesterday. We were good but a bit scruffy.
interesting question. I'd bet if it were the case that nobody would have been head in hands on world cup draw night. Martinez would have picked more everton players mind... i think he's maybe or or two more english lads left to scrape up..
If we play the right style, Welbeck could be very effective because he has superb movement and control. Unfortunately for him he is a forward and will always be judged on goals and/or assists.
I think he'd have set them up in a similar formation tbh. Squad wise I think he'd have gone with some younger legs in central midfield though, as I didn't see the point in taking Lampard personally, when Gerrard was always going to start every game as captain. As for the tribalism, you're always going to get it, some are blinded by it and won't accept their player being given the bird, whether rightly or wrongly. I would argue that the anti Hodgson stance is partly driven by tribalism as well tbh, as he's nowhere near as clueless as is being made out on here.
I think yes he'd use 4-2-3-1 as his everton line up was effectively this. I think he would have been far more positive with them and I don't think he would have dropped gerrard at all. the thing about hodgson is when we're all done blaming players he's the one going to be sacked for an abysmal world cup. I've been expecting thsi and am not going to change now. I also expect and really hope gerrard retires after it but of course that would mean he'd share the blame. Meantime no doubt rooney will go on to be englands leading scorer of all time and be a hero despite playing just the same.... I blame hodgson for wasting 4 years of every players international career here. I mean england were never going to win this, nor go far but players like baines, jagielka, even cahill and maybe even rooney are not going to see another world cup. you have to go head held high at the end... I'm thinking uero 1988, or graham taylor or mcclaren style humiliation in the offing. I reckon still italy were not good and will be taken apart in the last 8 unless they just defend defend defend (and that even says soemthing as all england could do was let them have it)
That remains to be seen. I saw enough on Saturday to at least feel as if we gave it a go and played with some pride. Not like SA when we simply didn't turn up and they played liked scolded kids moaning because they couldn't play X box all night... Italy are a good side and one things for sure - both Costa Rica and Uruguay aren't as good as them. Will we beat them both? Will we ****. Is that Hodgson's fault? Not for me...we're just not all that and our expectation levels are always above what's realistic. We're simply not that good.
i blame hodgson personally. club bollocks aside, every single player we have in the team is or can be quality, apart from Johnson who is just ****e.(is their a better alternative though? don't know) we were ****ing awful under hodgson when he was our manager, i see no dif in what he is doing to england, cant even put players in the right position and they end up easy scapegoats. gerrard and henderson for liverpool are good to watch, i should imagine the same for other players in their teams, so why are they so ****e playing for england, hodgson and his clueless tactics, or they just dont want to play under him?
Fair point and probably true for some but not all. Equally, you could say some non-Liverpool fans have the opinion that Woy only picks as many Liverpool players as he does because of that past link too. Both of course are completely **** bases to form an opinion. I think Woy is too defensive. I have said we'd be better off with Martinez. I've also said Rooney should play but only as a forward and I said Gerrard shouldn't be picked but who else plays? There is no one else in the squad that can play that role and who's fault is that?
View attachment 31923 Think he's gone senile. The England players are mostly far from being the best in the world but are top players to varying levels, Hart, Gerrard, Sturridge, Baines, Sterling, Hendo, Lallana, Oxo, Cahill, (Wilshere ?) for example, but they consistently don't show the good qualities they show at club level in internationals. That's most of a first team and he just can't see it or use suitable tactics. He's inept and bumbling.
We should play football like its played in the PL. 7billion miles an hour and crush all weaklings ( except that small period where the weaklings of barcelona won everything ).
i would not disagree with this at all. After all.... bayern LAST YEAR played more like english football with the pace and drive. this year... no co-incidence that they lost playing the spanish way. I do think england should just go for it. we were very cautious, very negative v italy. in the end we must simply go at it... when was the last time we did that... hoddle? robson? certianly not taylor... capello and erikkson were who there are....
No just press high, run at people with the ball, don't sit back giving 65% of possession while sitting on your own 18 yard line Nothing about hoofing in it Just be really strong, pacey... Dynamic and not pretend we've technical players to play ticky tacky.... I agree with uir
I thought England should of played high, Italy had a center back playing left back, you have to pressure him whenever. What I noticed is Gerrard was given licence to go forward rather than Henderson. Gerrard was the one who ran for the penalty decision and when Henderson had that shot in the first half his first reaction was to sprint straight back. Interesting tactics tbh, unless Gerrard was showing desperation and just pushed himself up there I don't know, but I think Henderson was given the role to defence more.
