From where I'm watching that's a frequent ocurrence and an event that is about as likely to happen as Gary Glitter being asked to light the Olympic flame next year
4,000 Killed in Syria GENEVA - United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay called on Friday for the international community to take action to protect the civilian population in Syria from "ruthless repression" as the country slides into civil war. More than 4,000 people have been killed, including 307 children, in the military crackdown since March and more than 14,000 people are believed to be held in detention, she told an emergency session of the UN Human Rights Council. "The Syrian authorities' continual ruthless repression, if not stopped now, can drive the country into a full-fledged civil war. In light of the manifest failure of the Syrian authorities to protect their citizens, the international community needs to take urgent and effective measures to protect the Syrian people," Pillay said. Pillay, a former UN war crimes judge, said that "the need for international accountability has even greater urgency today." Where are all the hand-wringing Guardianista "We are all Hezbullah Now" lefties to protest these massacres? Probably not the least bit interested, unless they can find a Jew to blame?
Why, my position was make a judgement based on the evidence that becomes available and a few claims from a student leader dont amount to evidence. I wonder if Dev shares the same anger for the raid of the Iranian consulate in Iraq by American forces in 2007 leading to the detainment of consulate staff, some of whom are still being held without charge?? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a90DLQrWr.YY
Dev has quoted some students and there is no evidence that Ahmadinajed or his government have anything to with it, so what is the apology for?
Also it seems a bit strange that alot of claims are made about Iran's support for terrorist organisations when it suits the wetsern intersts against Iran e.g. Hezbollah (even though Hezbollah existed before the 1979 revolution) yet you here little of their support for organisations when it doesnt suit the ant-Iran western interests e.g. who was funding and equipping the Northern Alliance years before the yanks turned up, you never hear of the fact that Iran had troops on the ground in Afghanistan engaged in anti-Taliban operations prior to and during the American operations in Afghanistan
Well then in that case I apologise to all of you for making a total **** of myself as usual <takesarealmantoadmitheswrongandsaysorry>
Did you know Assad is head of the Ba'ath party and has a secret police force Identical to Saddam Hussein
I think people forget the role Britain has had with regards to the turmoil in Iran Iranians are right to have a certain mistrust of Britain, moreso than america based on things such as Britains role in: 1906 - undermining the move to introduce a democratic constitution 1925 - encouraged Reza to become shah, he was a nazi sympathiser 1941 - overthrew Reza and put his son in power Backed the Ayatollahs against the shah in the revolution Then openly became anti the ayatollahs and then there was the Iran, Iraq war etc
Balls. As the author of one of most popular novels in Iran “My Unlce Napoleon” (when it isn’t banned by the saintly, perfect (well, they aren’t British are they) Iranian government) says in the foreword: “In his fantasies, the novel's central character sees the hidden hand of British imperialism behind every event that has happened in Iran until the recent past. For the first time, the people of Iran have clearly seen the absurdity of this belief, although they tend to ascribe it to others and not to themselves, and have been able to laugh at it. And this has, finally, had a salutary influence. Nowadays, in Persian, the phrase "My Uncle Napoleon" is used everywhere to indicate a belief that British plots are behind all events, and is accompanied by ridicule and laughter. ... The only section of society who attacked it was the Mullahs. ... [T]hey said I had been ordered to write the book by imperialists, and that I had done so in order to destroy the roots of religion in the people of Iran.” Common myth/wishful thinking/downright lies as-historical-fact put about by Iranian leaders lead to 1. There is nothing at all that any Western country can do to avoid the charge of intervening in Iran's internal affairs. This is part of the very identity and ideology of the theocracy. 2. It is a mistake to assume that the ayatollahs, cynical and corrupt as they may be, are acting rationally. They are frequently in the grip of archaic beliefs and fears that would make a stupefied medieval European peasant seem the very model of rationality and enlightenment.
Whataboutery? I warned eddie off that tactic Jacky then you go and dive in both feet first. I know nothing about that particular story and I certainly don't see what point my condemnation of it would serve. Let's just stick to one raid at a time, if you want to talk about that case start another thread but please don't dredge it up here. In the world of espionage, backstabbing, politics and people playing Cat's Paw, there is seldom scant (if any) evidence which can prove anything conclusively, let's just say that I happen to believe these student organisations who claim that the Government were behind the raids. I'll take their word over yours or eddie's any day of the week.
Another deflection from Dev. Just because you are deflecting it by calling it whataboutery doesnt mean it isnt a valid point. My question is, do you hold the same anger for what amounts to a military invasion on a foreign sovereign embassy as you do for when a couple of apparently government backed students do, or do you only oppose and condemn it when the Iranians do it.
So the two situations are exactly the same Jacky or are we comparing chalk and cheese? Was it Britain who carried out the "Raid" in 2007? What was the purpose of the "US" Raid? Was it an "Embassy" that was attacked by the Yanks or is that still a matter of debate? Was Iraq sill on a war footing at the time and this raid carried out to stop the Iranians fermenting more trouble in Iraq? We don't know do we? But we do know for certain that 2 British Embassies were attacked and these unprovoked attacks should not be condoned by anyone who cares a jot for the rule of international law. That's why I said it was "Whataboutery". You want me to condemn something I know nothing about and you have drawn a paralell to a situation which I suspect you know little if anything about either. It's a risible approach to the debating process so you either condemn the raid on our embassies or you don't, Iran (or it's citizens) are in the wrong or they are'nt, it's as simple as that really, and no amount of attempting to say "aye but they done it too" has any bearing on this case.
They know everything ever heard of google? wikipedia etc are never wrong Dev **** sake you should know that by now - oh aye then theres youtube, absolutely 110% confidence in the accuracy of the internet.
