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Nuclear Plant on a Fault Line???

Discussion in 'Watford' started by BrixtonR, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. aberdeenhornet

    aberdeenhornet Well-Known Member

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    Nuclear is the future!!! We are at peak oil and frankly we need to stop wasting it in energy generation and concentrate on its use for pharmaceuticals, plastics etc. Natural gas and particularly hydrates have a massive contribution to make but we're not there with safety aspects yet. Alternative energy contributes but will never fill the void created by future declining oil and increasing energy demand. Nuclear is clean but only ever able to compete on cost grounds if governments take on the decommisioning cost responsibility. How many of you moan about expensive petrol for your car? at 100bucks a barrel it compares to orange juice at about 350$ a barrel, which commodity has the greater value and costs more to expoit/find?
     
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  2. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    to the diabetes I meant ,scary one that Aber
     
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  4. aberdeenhornet

    aberdeenhornet Well-Known Member

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    nagh its just too many beers
     
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  5. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    Phew tfft!! thanks aberdeen
     
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  6. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    Well we certainly pick up on certain items for conversations here don't we (wee :) )

    My sugar levels are fine thanks you and Aber nice of you to worry about me but at age 60 I can assure you that one night time visit is very normal :)
     
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  7. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    Does this mean you will be getting a new laptop attachment to the throne?<laugh>
     
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  8. Leo

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    I think we have to use a good mix of fuels - nuclear certainly has a part to play as do most renewables. Probably best to try not to be over reliant on one type - and the greater the potential disaster the more care needed and nuclear cetainly falls into that category.

    For once Aber I agree with you - multi-national corporations are very powerful and they too need to be watched but equally they bring a lot of good things so properly regulated I am in favour of them.
     
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  9. oldfrenchhorn

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    France produces 75% of it's energy supply from nuclear. It produces far more than it needs for domestic consumption and earns about &#8364;3bn per annul by exporting the surplus to the UK and Italy. With it's own re-cycling plant it gets 17% of the production from the re-cycled material.

    Although wind turbines are springing up all over the place, assuming that each one was at maximum production, unlikely due to too little wind or too much, then to replace just the domestic need would require 250,000 of them.
     
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  10. Leo

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    Aber - remember there are establishment sheep and anti-establsihment sheep - ever considered where you fit - as I suspect I could guess your views on a whole range of issues - do you really think for yourself or have the knee-jerk "anti" reaction. I have no idea what your question to me means or why I should be asked it as I have no idea who makes fun of what - but for myself I think for myself and have views that come down on both sides of the pro and anti establishment line - the one area I do not compromise on though is one you say you favour - violence - when you support violent action you are admitting you have lost the reasoned argument.
     
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  11. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    We have lots of windfarms here in Wales - they are getting planning for one near us now
     
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  12. BrixtonR

    BrixtonR Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your contributions - I think between you you’ve put more reasoning on the table than I’ve been able to find elsewhere. I came over here again expecting little more than WTF are you and got precisely the opposite! Are WFC aware of their intellectual energy reserves? Perhaps Japan should buy into the club in return for a slice of alternative natural energy (I take it that it is natural to Watford because other clubs are clearly wanting in this department…)!

    Have we really come to the stage that it has to be all - AND nothing if it comes on top?

    If so it’s not just the planet that’s changing but also us as the people on it…

    50 years ago the thought of nuclear catastrophe would have had us out on the march at the first hint of this kind of recklessness. 25 years ago we (or our female equivalents) were more than prepared to rough it for years outside Greenham Common to demonstrate our willingness to resist dumb-arsed (MAD) direction.

    Just seems to me they could have stuck the plant in Tokyo for all the concern for the likely consequences we manage to muster nowadays.

    On the one hand they have said that they had designed the Fukushima plant to withstand a magnitude 6.5 RS earthquake; on the other, they say they had been expecting the big one for years… When it came it was a massive 8.9.

    Maybe the damage to the plant was indeed caused by the tsunami and wasn’t planned for… But again, why? I think it was Leonardo who remembered that in this country, we referred to these huge bulges in sea level as ‘tidal waves’ back in the day - but ‘tsunami’ is a Japanese word and neither a new word, concept nor experience for them.

    And, if anyone knows a thing or two about the consequences of nuclear catastrophes, it has to be the Japanese.

    So what am I saying here? Am I saying that their politicians, business people, designers, engineers etc. have clearly been, to put it mildly, negligent to the max?

    Most certainly - but far worse than that, judging by the lack of simple questioning, reporting and visible concern going on, is the abject complacency of tous le monde!

    It seems one way or another we have all been desensitised over the past couple a three decades. Rendered punch drunk if you like, by Nanny State stuff (in Europe at least) that purports to protect us from secondary smoke in pubs etc. etc. and health & safety rules for dummies but omits to fully acknowledge the most massive disasters known to mankind.

    Weird or what?

    As for Danny Graham, judging by his age and development, looks like a snip at £5m. Hope you can get a bit more to help secure the club a bit.
     
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  13. BrixtonR

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    PS - Note to COYH ('Welcome Brixton. And well done to Rangers this year (though we've still got a chance of the double!). Nice to see HH still performing.')

    Watford may well get the double over Rangers this year BUT please, try to do it quietly and NOT on Sky again... last time we'd just got to the point where I'd been telling mates, staff etc. that my team were on the box (after years and years in Siberia).

    Did Watford really have to be THAT convincing? Had WUMs all over me for days!
     
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  14. oldfrenchhorn

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    Brixton, you are welcome here, and with an interesting topic you will get reasoned answers. We do not all agree all of the time, but maybe the difference here is we are prepared to consider what others say, and not simply dismiss their ideas because they are not in line with what we think.
     
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  15. LuxWFC

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    Next time they might build a giant Tsunami barrier around the nuclear plant......or some kind of 360 wall stopping everything and anything getting out/in (except Oxygen and letting fumes out)
     
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  16. Bolton's Boots

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    Wouldn't worry too much about that happening again - over the years Watford have specialised in inconsistency [even our best season ever - ahem/cough 1982/83]

    Our forward line and midfield were on fire that night - so much so that Graham and Cowie are being investigated by the government as possible renewable energy sources :emoticon-0100-smile - better than nuclear any day!
     
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  17. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    Brixton - as OFH says - it is good to have you - and others who enliven the boards with new topics on here - sorry we willhave to crush you again - my feeling is we may go nap !
     
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  18. aberdeenhornet

    aberdeenhornet Well-Known Member

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    As for building on a fault line thats anywhere in Japan, trouble with these power stations is they need tons of water hence are built in tsunami vulnerable spots. This quake and resultant tsunami were beyond the specs envisaged as the limit by the engineers, always frightening when it goes wrong. We need to build half a dozen new plants in the UK and are blessed with relatively stable tectonics, an extensive coastline and sparsely populated areas but no doubt economics will play a part and new plants will be built closer to population centres than is optimum from an HS standpoint. As mentioned on another thread we need to find another planet (or 4) would be good for people to have a choice, live in the stone age, live in the iron age, live in the pre industrial age, live in the current age or live in the future age, would like to see a poll and see what the split would be as a wish. I'd be happy in stone/iron age for sure, fresh air, cave, hunt, fish and procreate..........no mortgage, no cars, no telly, no computers just real life......
     
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  19. Norwayhornet

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    Sorry Brixton but the qpr game is a rare one coz I will be attending and will cry if we dont win<laugh>
    Thanks for posting such a good article and dont forget to go for a drink in the hornets nest virtual pub ,you are more than welcome!
     
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  20. Norwayhornet

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    Aberdeen sounds great, who has the biggest club wins....oh hang on things havent changed that much have they <laugh> What about the caveman dragging his woman around by the hair bit! I think Hornette might object!
     
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