1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Now that CL is CLENCHED, a question.....

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by BCR, Apr 21, 2014.

  1. This is about Mourinho's comments isn't it? Claiming we have an advantage by not being in Europe? As as been pointed out, had we been in Europe we'd have had a slightly different squad. Making reference to wasted money under different management, most of which under previous owners who almost got us into administration is a bit silly really isn't it?
     
    #41
  2. Fire sale no, sell to buy was imposed though and we lost a lot of players through it. Sure Alonso and Mascherano were the main two but others such as Torres left because we were going backwards as a result.

    Still, it could be worse. we could have been celebrating finishing above our rivals for two years running whilst all this was happening :p
     
    #42
  3. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    It's got nothing to do with Maureens comments and everything to do with plain common sense ffs

    You've played way less fixtures, therefore you've had less fatigue, less injuries, less squad rotation in the league games, ergo an obvious advantage.

    It really isn't complicated..........
     
    #43
  4. Livtor

    Livtor Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,759
    Likes Received:
    14
    Blackburn exactly. Almost 20 years ago. We'd see it more often if being out of the CL were such a f*cking advantage. In fact, your third paragraph only disproves your point. Being that the chasm deepened BECAUSE those "disadvantaged" CL clubs were so successful at winning the league year after year.

    Participating in the CL is a confidence-booster, period. Rubbing shoulders with giants. Going to important games with priceless mental strength and experience with the big stage.
     
    #44
  5. saintanton

    saintanton Old

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    39,793
    Likes Received:
    27,862
    Because of what happened over recent years.
    Before Laurel and Hardy took over we were consistently doing well in the CL.

    And the subject of discussion was this season, not past ones. We've had to have a complete overhaul, and rebuild with many young players. We haven't had the luxury of going out and spending huge amounts on ready-made stars.
     
    #45
  6. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    132
    Let's get back to talking some sanity.

    With CL football to look forward to, and an expectation of at least getting out of the Group Stage, then we need to look at the squad in a different way. In addition to the usual requirement of adding quality players, we also need to add players who have both the quality and the experience of CL football i.e. a different style of play.

    Now I don't expect our domestic game next season to look as it has this year. I'm not saying tat we just junk the attacking philosophy but we will need find a revised style that fits both the PL and CL. Therefore our purchases this Summer have to be very strategic and we may have to say goodbye to some of our favourite players - Johnson, Agger, Enrique, Allen. and also some less favoured Cissokho, Moses, Aspas, Borini. BR has to make our squad hard to get in to but oozing with both quality and the will to win.
     
    #46

  7. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    108,055
    Likes Received:
    67,506
    #47
  8. saintanton

    saintanton Old

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    39,793
    Likes Received:
    27,862
    Don't be daft, dave.
    Tobes and UIR are here.....
     
    #48
  9. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    #49
  10. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    You ignore the salient point. That being, that you've had the advantage of CL level spending. The reason that it's not happened in 20 years is solely due to the chasm created between the have and have nots, but you're one of the haves ffs. <laugh>
     
    #50
  11. Livtor

    Livtor Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,759
    Likes Received:
    14
    I was including them as extra options after Coutinho and Sterling. In attack, the flair and courage of youth is an acceptable sub option. In defence, there's no fooling around and we need proven players. I wouldn't take Ilori and Wisdom on our CL trips just yet. They can cut their teeth in the domestic cups.
     
    #51
  12. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    Ok limit the discussion to Rodgers tenure then......he's still spent more that any other manager barring Moyes, Mourinho and AVB (combined) and Pelligrini in the last 18 months

    This total myth that you're not amongst the highest spenders in the league is beyond comprehension.

    Take any timeframe you like over the PL era -20 years, 10, 5, you're one of the biggest spenders, it's a simple fact.
     
    #52
  13. Jürgenmeiʃter

    Jürgenmeiʃter Top top top top top flirt

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2011
    Messages:
    27,578
    Likes Received:
    2,251
    Im not sure he has?


    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/transfers/wettbewerbe-km/transfers.html
     
    #53
  14. Less injuries is a joke right? <doh>
     
    #54
  15. Livtor

    Livtor Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,759
    Likes Received:
    14
    Nope.

    You can trace a correlation between our league finish and our CL performance. The only outlier would be the year we won it.

    Generally (more often than not), a good run in the league is coupled with a good run in the CL. It's easy to transfer great form from one to the other. The only thing you need is a deep squad.
     
    #55
  16. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    errrm no.

    More games = more likelihood of injury, especially when played in close succession.

    So whatever the situation was without the additional 12-14 games, it's hardly likely to have been improved by playing them eh? <doh>
     
    #56
  17. Brod's time:
    Borini - £10.5m
    Sahin - Loan
    Allen - £15m
    Assaidi - £2.5m
    Sturridge - £12m
    Coutinho - £8.6m
    Migs - £10m
    Sakho - £15m
    Ilori - £7m
    Aspas - £7.5m
    Alberto - £6.8m
    Moses - Loan
    Toure - Free
    Cissokho - Loan
    Total: £94.9m

    Now, I've not got time to check the other clubs but I'm very confident that Man Utd, Tottenham, Man City and Chelsea have all spent more than that, possibly Arsenal too.
     
    #57
  18. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    `
    Oh ffs and you can also generally draw a direct correlation between those with the deepest pockets and success in both competitions.

    You've had the benefit of a CL sized budget without having to actually play in the bastard competition!

    Seriously, you're barking mad if you can't accept that not having those additional games or the distraction that accompanies them has given you an edge in the league.
     
    #58
  19. So you're claiming we've done better in the league because we've played less games resulting in less injuries despite the fact we've clearly had plenty injuries? Brilliant <laugh>
     
    #59
  20. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2012
    Messages:
    72,661
    Likes Received:
    57,082
    I said barring Chelsea, United and City ffs <doh> Spurs no, as they had the Bale windfall.
     
    #60

Share This Page