What do you expect from a Manc? Look at the context of Kenny's return. A club in crisis, nearly extinction, then new owners with no experience, a disastrous managerial appointment and a squad in meltdown. So sure we/he made some bad purchases BUT he put the club back on its feet and moving forward again. He re-installed belief in the club and left Rodgers with a far easier task than the one he inherited. He played a brand of football that excieted the supporters once again. My goodness, if near misses, opportunities created and woodwork strikes counted for anything we would have run away with the league - with a supposedly crap team!! Only the truly myopic can fail to see that Kenny's return laid the foundations for what is presently evolving. It was time and money well spent.
OMG! Do you ACTUALLY believe that? Many of your fellow supporters here would be aghast at this. This is revisionism at its most extreme. #taintedglasses
Incredible mate. Uncle Kim in North Korea has nothing on you in terms of propaganda and rewriting history...
What did he rewrite? We were in a mire due to previous owners. Morale was low because of Negative Roy. Kenny comes back as manager, instills confidence within the team again, playing attacking football and wanting to beat every team not lie down and accept they're better than us., wins a trophy, almost wins another. As for laying ground work, you do know he worked for our Academy don't you? I mean mancs as obsessed with KD as they are should really know that.....
He didn't really waste them because we got Suarez, a better player than Torres was. Its a shame he didn't spend the rest of it as well with the Carroll transfer but if we'd have spent £50m on Suarez to replace Torres then no one would be complaining about that trade.
I like Dave, but his second paragraph is plain crazy. I can't understand how assumptions can be made from if's and but's We simply missed the goals because our finishing was shocking. Hitting the woodwork is missing the target, I'm not quite sure what Dave is trying to do here!!
This just conjured up memories of MFG doing the same. He used to bang on about the law of averages, etc, etc. Now he doesn't show face because we are doing well and BR is looking like he may be up to the task.
Did you read anything he wrote? Pick apart the first part and tell me which bit isn't factual. The club was in a very poor state that's a fact (fakht if you prefer), the new owners had no experience of football - fact, woy was a disastrous appointment - fact, the squad was in a mess - fact. Now apply these facts to the second half of the post and put 2 + 2 together without making whatever number you feel like. Kenny sold the worst players as soon as he came in. He did bag Enrique cheap, Bellamy for nothing, Henderson who's been one of our better players for the last 12 months. Yes "he" overspent on Mandy and Drowning but do you think the manager decided transfer fees when the club had Comoli in doing the deals? He took us from 16th when he took over to 8th when he left and 2 cup finals in a season. Was all perfect and rosey? No of course it wasn't but whatever opposition fans say we know Kenny managed us through an incredibly rough time and left us in a far better state than he found us.
Yes but we started to miss a host of chances thanks to goofy getting banned. We suffered massively after that (and we lost Lucas at the end of November for the whole season). As a team we didn't recover from those moments but you cant complain that we weren't creating chances. We created ****ing loads. Kennys biggest mistake was not playing himself because he'd have bagged a score of goals that year Sometimes in life you just can't buy a break and Kenny just had one of those rolls at the back end of 2012. Partly due to his mistakes but it all ran deeper than that.
Yeah I agree. But the simple fact is we finished where we did because we couldn't score for ****. No point creating **** loads if you can't score them - I'm surprised Kenny didn't get himself registered to be honest, he must have been so frustrated watching our strikers!
He should have replaced/bought quality when Lucas went down and that was a big problem as well. I wish Bellamy's knees were better as he should have been playing every game. Same with Maxi for me.
Same as "coming up against an in form keeper every week" translates to "the strikers gave their keeper a chance to look good"
How old are you Sonyjim? Well it's been years poorly spent if you can only cast aspertions (particularly about a club you don't support). Now just toddle-off and GROW UP
Let me explain further. Whilst I love Rafa to bits, it has to be accepted that the football that he was serving up in this last two seasons had become as dull as dishwater. The football (if that is what it was) served up under Hodgson was even more dire. Kenny got us going again and playing some vibrant football. It almost became a joke that we battered teams week after week and still managed to lose or draw. If you like the true difference is that we were attacking even if we couldn't hit a barn door! Even that slur is not completely true as the stats made it appear worse. Hit the corner flag and the shot is listed as OFF TARGET. Hit the post and by thous away from scoring and it is described the same!!! If we had been as poor as suggested then why were so many of us arguing that Kenny should be given at least another year? I'm not MFG and I welcome what Rodgers has done with the squad. I delight in our present league psition and I look forward to it continuing. But I truly object to being called a revisionist by so no-mark runt of a Manc who knows nothing of our club. If you don't understand the implications of where we were as a club and a team then there's little chance of understanding just how far we have truly come - and Kenny laid the foundations for that.
Yes but the simple fact is we'd been short of strikers for years in terms of squad depth. Houllier left us with the likes of Cisse, Rafa left us with a waning Torres and Ngog, Hodgson as we know didn't strengthen at all either. Signing Mandy was a massive mistake but as much because of the fee as the player himself. Did Kenny agree that fee? Of course he didn't, Comoli was the negotiator and blew the bloody budget. As I said before then the whole Suarez business kicked off and cost us big time and ultimately went a long way to costing Kenny his job. Overall though taking us from where we were to where he left us (opposite end of the table and with a trophy in the bag) shouldn't be deemed a total failure.
We were brilliant in 08/09, so I've got to dispute what you said about Rafa's football in the last two seasons. It was only his last season when we lost Alonso, picked up injuries and struggled for momentum we started playing boring football. And that was out of necessity rather than choice where our team was so fragile defensively and confidence wise that we had to revert to playing defensively away from home. If he'd have gotten the chance to find Alonso's replacement in that summer instead of being sacked then he would probably have got us back up there playing decent football. We had the basis for a decent side with Reina/Johnson/Skrtel/Agger/Lucas/Gerrard/Kuyt/Torres its just a shame Hodgson had to rip everything up and try to start again.
"its just a shame Hodgson had to rip everything up and try to start again." is that what he was doing lol i thought he was sent in to sell all our fecking players to utd as he didn't exactly to tell them to **** off when they was sniffing around, but that thankfully is the past and Englands problem now. idiot owners and idiot managers hopefully is a thing of the past. agree about the spine of the team was there,and if he had been given one more season who knows, could use that argument with Kenny to a degree though, esp considering the money they let him spend.
Didn't think we were so brilliant in 08/09 either so I dispute your dispute It's not just the players it was the approach that was negative. As you said we had the basis of a good side we just didn't maximise its effectiveness.
