Match Day Thread Nottingham Forest v Leeds United

[ristac]

Agree, I was just pointing out how relatively weak our squad is… and some think we can pop to tesco’s buy a new manager and it’ll all be sorted.

What was Sunderland’s average spend per player

 

[milkyboy]

What was Sunderland’s average spend per player

no idea.

don’t think I said it was impossible to be successful with below average players - our squad under Bielsa being a case in point

Don’t think their success is sustainable to be honest, but good luck to them.

I’m just making the point that teams with better players generally do better, and that changing managers often doesn’t help.

 

[ristac]

no idea.

don’t think I said it was impossible to be successful with below average players - our squad under Bielsa being a case in point

Don’t think their success is sustainable to be honest, but good luck to them.

I’m just making the point that teams with better players generally do better, and that changing managers often doesn’t help.

We’ve possibly missed the boat, it was stick or twist before spending the transfer window budget

 

[FORZA LEEDS]

What was Sunderland’s average spend per player

Irrelevant. They have a better manager.

 

[milkyboy]

Suppose the simple answer is that his zonal marking isn't working. It needs a tactical twitch. Wouldn't take a genius to look at Arsenal and how they set up and copy it. Same with attacking set pieces.

Yes it's individual mistakes but when the mistake is not running hard enough then that should be an easy one to fix.

One example is during the 2nd half when Gudmundsson ran 60 or 70 yards with the ball and made it all the way to the byline and nobody could be arsed to sprint in to the box. Aaronson just jogged and I think it was Nmecha who kind of half heartedly wandered forward. They only sprinted when it was too late to get there. Another was a long throw in the first half where the ball landed in the 6 yard box and not one Leeds player anticipated that everyone would miss it. Keeper just walked off his line and caught it after it had bounced.

If Farke can't point out these simple errors and get a reaction from the players then he will have to go. If they won't run for him then it's curtains. 3 out of the last 4 games have been lost due to a lack of effort more than a lack of quality.

We’re still outrunning all our opponents as a team, but maybe the intensity has dropped I don’t know. I doubt it’s effort.

The comparison with Sunderland is an interesting one, our expected points is still above theirs, they’ve had a bit of luck no doubt but they dont make things easy for people.

We’ve conceded twice as many goals as them, but our expected goals against is almost identical to theirs,

Farke was right yesterday when he said games at this level are decided on small details, we’re getting those details wrong. What proportion is him v players I guess is open to debate.

I always targeted villa as our best chance of points in this run of games. They’ve been poor this season and rode their luck in their winning run. The Bournemouth games was never a 4-0 kind of game but they deserved their win and are hitting form at the wrong time for us.

 

[NostradEmus]

We’re still outrunning all our opponents as a team, but maybe the intensity has dropped I don’t know. I doubt it’s effort.

The comparison with Sunderland is an interesting one, our expected points is still above theirs, they’ve had a bit of luck no doubt but they dont make things easy for people.

We’ve conceded twice as many goals as them, but our expected goals against is almost identical to theirs,

Farke was right yesterday when he said games at this level are decided on small details, we’re getting those details wrong. What proportion is him v players I guess is open to debate.

I always targeted villa as our best chance of points in this run of games. They’ve been poor this season and rode their luck in their winning run. The Bournemouth games was never a 4-0 kind of game but they deserved their win and are hitting form at the wrong time for us.

Its no good outrunning your opposite number if you don't run with him as he scores tap ins every week.

Its good that we outrun opposition but you've also got to do it at the right times. We aren't doing that either going forward and clearly not tracking back.

 

[NostradEmus]

Not worried about personnel but more worried about sitting too deep, not tracking runners from midfield, full backs stopping crosses. Going the other way I want to see us actually prioritise getting the ball in the box more. It's tedious watching us play it along the backline after turning down a chance to cross the ball.

The Forest centre halves are big and strong but also very slow. I don't think Nmecha will stretch them like DCL would. I expect Forests defenders to have a very simple afternoons work. Dan James would have been an excellent option with his pace on the right.

I worry about Gibbs-White running the channels. We won't pick him up if last week was anything to go by.

This was my pre-match prediction on how things might turn out. Wasn't a bad prediction.

Its not like I'm saying these things in hindsight. Its clear and obvious what our basic issues are recently. They are easily fixed but for some reason Farke is letting it slide.

 

[milkyboy]

Its no good outrunning your opposite number if you don't run with him as he scores tap ins every week.

It’s good that we outrun opposition but you've also got to do it at the right times. We aren't doing that either going forward and clearly not tracking back.

That was my point, I don’t think it’s effort per se, but more likely intensity and concentration. Their second goal wasn’t about effort. It was communication/ball watching. Bijol points to Gibbs whiteand clearly assumes Ampadu is taking him. Fck knows what was said or who should have taken him but Ampadu just watches the ball.
For me he’s ampadu’s man, but some would argue regardless you should never have that big a gap between your centre backs.

Rodon is watching the guy at the back, bogle is ball watching. It’s p*ss poor. The sort of thing that happens when you’re stretched but unforgiveable when the defence is set. Players responsibility? Poor coaching? Unless you’re on the training ground you can’t say for sure. Either way it’s really poor.

A 5ft 7 midfielder has no one with 5 yards of him as he glances it goalwards as our ‘land of the giants’ statues watch on.

 

[LeedsRover1]

I worry that the players don’t actually believe in the system, that they’re being asked to play. Otherwise I don’t understand the reason why we let Gibbs White pretty much walk unchallenged into our six yard box with defenders stood off him for the 2nd goal.

Something needs to change, and fast.

 

[Brizzlewhite]

Standing off / backing off is something we have been guilty of over the last few seasons.

 

[Eireleeds1]

Players aren’t good enough and after we’ve gone through another two managers people might open their eyes

 

[Infidel]

I have read some interesting posts yesterday and today, people are entitled to there opinion so here is mine.
How many players in our squad would get 20+ million in transfer money—— my opinion, none.
Is the team fit? our LB runs the length of the pitch with the ball and no support?
We don’t work as a unit, we don’t hit probing balls into the channels, is this clueless coaching, maybe
it is, I still think Farke is out of his depth, but who could replace him?
Manager and Captain need to sit down and have an heart to heart, a captain is always closer to the players and if there are bad apples in there get them out now before it’s too late.

 

[NostradEmus]

Players aren’t good enough and after we’ve gone through another two managers people might open their eyes

I said the same when Marsch was here. He wasn't perfect but the players were awful. At least they tried under Jesse but they downed tools under the others.