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Grand Prix thread Not606 2016 Japanese Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by taeleon, Oct 3, 2016.

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Take your pick for the number 1 spot this weekend:

Poll closed Oct 9, 2016.
  1. Nico Rosberg

    23.5%
  2. Lewis Hamilton

    64.7%
  3. Daniel Ricciardo

    5.9%
  4. Kimi Raikkonen

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  5. Sebastian Vettel

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  6. Max Verstappen

    5.9%
  7. Valtteri Bottas

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  8. Sergio Perez

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  9. Nico Hulkenberg

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  10. Other, please state in bold in the thread.

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  1. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member
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    Mathematically it's out of his hands so he is hunting good fortune more than results, although I believe if he wins all the remaining races he will win the WDC because Nico is bound to have a hiccup.

    In relation to his behaviour I honestly believe it's about being the centre of attention, I know that's a simplistic view. Remember when he leaked the Spa data on Twitter, no logic just stupidity. He is also currently in an ongoing argument with Bernie over recording video footage inside the circuit and I think the shapchat thing was probably him pushing to make a point and it's backfired because he's poked the press rather than the controlling body.
     
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  2. EternalMSC

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    Montoya style meltdown. I reckon he will either swap with Vettel or leave.
     
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  3. EternalMSC

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    Bipolar maybe?
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

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    Has to be a woman involved. They're bad news.

    would be gay except I love their curves and bumpy bits too much
     
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  5. Sportista

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    There are several rumours in the business, but I don't think any apply here specifically. There's one I do believe - that I've never seen articulated, but Cosi hinted at around Monaco and I'd heard a few times before that would generally leave him under pressure that many of the drivers wouldn't be living with and may explain why his behaviours are sometimes more extreme than are warranted/expected.


    In this case I think it's about 3 p's: performance, perception and pressure.

    Despite the unreliability, Hamilton will know deep down he's made mistakes this year and that he hasn't delivered 100% of his performance. He's potentially going to lose a Championship to someone he's denounced as not being able to beat him as a result.

    To some extent he lives in an echo chamber - think "Hamelots" and new fans he's brought to the sport who are blinkered or lack context, and this continually reinforces a perception (that he's I think generally quite happy with and fuels when it suits him) that he's much better than the other drivers. When the facts dispel that myth this puts him under pressure as he's not living up to (unrealistic) expectations.

    That then fuels the irrational reactions: the Spa's, the diversionary fallouts with the media, the it's everyone's fault except mine type comments. The management and support network then set in and we get the PR polished behaviour again until the pressure builds up and the other side comes out again.

    To some extent that kind of fits with the multi personality type/mental challenges impressions you've obviously garnered. He's trying to live up to some unrealistic self/outside expectations, there's his actual self and his PR self and it's not possible to balance all three in the public glare.
     
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  6. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Simon Fullers clients are all about having their faces on T-shirts, being worshiped, that's why they sign for him. No one truly rates Nico as a top driver, but he's beating Hamilton and Hamilton's ego can't take it, in his mind he's too good to be beaten by Nico so it simply has to be someone else's fault, be it racist stewards, disrespectful reporters or a mechanic conspiracy.
     
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  7. cosicave

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    Crofter. Egocentric idiot. Captain Irrelevant Argument. 'I'm going to give myself a catchy nickname' and find every opportunity to be contentious and (hopefully) provocative whilst actually being infuriatingly irrelevant for a boringly long period of time. I will also assume authority over anyone foolish enough to 'ask Crofter' by guessing at the most credible answer myself and presenting it as FACT instead of passing it over to the person sitting next to me from whom they'd almost certainly prefer an answer.

    What an utter twunt. The sooner he recedes to some half-wit radio chat show, the better. Unfortunately though, old Murdoch knows no better and doesn't really care. Then again, it must be said that even Crofter's 'off on an irrelevant tangent yet again' style is marginally better than surely the worst commentator ever in the history of the broadcasting of British Motorsport: someone very lucky to get a second year in F1 (never mind the first!), courtesy of an increasingly disinterested BBC: yes, the unmentionable ignoramus.
    On the other hand, James Allen – whilst extremely well-informed by 'lead commentator' standards and a very worthy researcher and writer – can irritate and frustrate the listener.

    From my perspective, there is only one decent British
    * lead commentator at present: Ben Edwards. He's informative, accurate way beyond the norm, and enthusiastic – without grating on the ear or worse, becoming an egotistical Crofter. He has just the right balance for a knowledgeable audience. – Actually, he's brilliant!
    :)

    *Maybe I should extend that. To my knowledge, he's probably the current best English-speaking motorsport commentator in the world.
     
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  8. cosicave

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    P.S. Lest there be doubt, the unmentionable from above; the worst commentator in motorsport's long and illustrious history, is/was the alien without friends from planet Zlod: Legard.
    Also, apologies for my recent lack of participation.
     
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  9. Sportista

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    A "pedal to the metal" return though Cosi!

    Crofty is inevitable in a world where Sky is trying to attract a new audience to profit from it's investment in F1. You have Brundle for credibility and Crofty to appeal to casual, sensationalist, personality driven fan and the Twitter generation. I'm pretty certain Brundle walks a tightrope with his employers in terms of not always following the "agreed advertising line" and I hear his commentary is now "dumbed down" compared to his early years on ITV.

    The more niche the sport, the more a specialist commentator, commentating at that level is tolerated it seems.

    In defence of Sky, I'd say they do try to provide a balance of approaches. Monday night football, provides a more in depth analysis of Football than Sunday matches "lounge shows", something Sky try to do with the Sky Pad, but unlike football, they have to cram all the styles into one show.
     
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  10. Smithers

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    As Terry Wogan once said, "they either like you or they don't"
     
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  12. Sportista

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    Jenson should have agreed a 5 year sabbatical, that would have given them long enough to catch back up.
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

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    I see an interesting debate here.

    The thing is guys I would look further back

    Hamilton switched off after winning last year and didn't grind rosberg to paste. This also coincided with the hat incident.

    he let the guy win 3 in a row. so unless whatever issue you think it is happened back then?

    For me one side can't accept hamilton dropped his level and look for an excuse but then won't give any credit to rosbreg upping his game and getting much tougher.

    I don't really care

    what I am seeing is hamilton's hunder was low, I think once he had one issue with an engine he was running every excuse in the book. He let rosberg establish a huge lead and then he seems to shake himself and then hauled in rosberg who has issues of his own, not least of which was stewards penalising tough driving. however after the summer break hamilton has just been under pressure again and he missed his big chance when his engine blew. It has been back and forth

    so IMO give credit to both. I think hamilton has reach the point of having to take a look in the mirror and see if he really has the desire cos all things being equal he is one of the 3 very best in the field and while rosberg has stepped it up he would still not be in that 3 for me. Vettel is one but he has not ben given the car and is just plain unhappy and the other for me would be alonso who's best years are gone.

    Hamilton is the quickest but would he be quickest if all 3 had the same car? I dunno. rosberg has traded punches with hamilton in quali all year. he's just wanted it more IMO.

    If hamilton takes the right attitude now and just picks it up and wins in last races he can set up next year as his year... but he has to want it.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

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    I agree. there is a huge make sure you big up the british drivers for the audience element to sky.like... **** sake lads jolyeyn palmer is at best average go talk to the other stars for us.. but no...
     
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  15. Sportista

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    No Daniel in the top 3 drivers? Overall best driver across the last 3 years imo...
     
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    Yeah, I'd at least take Vettel out and put Ric in that list instead.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Which is fair but hes not had the car yet has he. Would he do better than rosberg in same car. Maybe. He did do vettel after all but then vettel wasnt happy there.

    I think his time is either coming or is frustratingly passing him by.. only time will tell which.

    Basically if i had a car who would i want in it to race for my life. Vettel hamilton and alonso. No question ricciardo could join that by we are talking multiple world champs whove proved themselves time and again.

    Verstappen take note
     
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  18. SgtBhaji

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    Vettel's having a bit of a sticky season, but he's still right up there with the best.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Last year he was in second best car abd won a couple. Year before he was not hapoy and it showed... hes got to get a real car and team behind him cos frankly ferrari has let him down

    Like i put alonso in but hes not had a car for 7 years?

    Ricciardo is a great guy by the look of it but we will have to see if hes top top tier. It is kind of hard unless a merc explodes so he has trounced max in quali but he needs a car which means an engine.

    How many guys could we say were awesome in the past when prost and senna were out too.. who will get remembered.
     
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  20. Julius Caesar

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    With Vettel it's a bit awkward for a 4xwdc that two of his last three seasons have been very average.

    May well be a motivation issue with Ferrari's struggles. But the inconsistencies harm his place on the all time great list.

    Compare him to Alonso. When he was unhappy he was trouncing Raikkonen and now with little hope at Mclaren he's still taking every opportunity.
     
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