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Grand Prix thread Not606 2016 Japanese Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by taeleon, Oct 3, 2016.

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Take your pick for the number 1 spot this weekend:

Poll closed Oct 9, 2016.
  1. Nico Rosberg

    23.5%
  2. Lewis Hamilton

    64.7%
  3. Daniel Ricciardo

    5.9%
  4. Kimi Raikkonen

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  5. Sebastian Vettel

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  6. Max Verstappen

    5.9%
  7. Valtteri Bottas

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  8. Sergio Perez

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  9. Nico Hulkenberg

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  10. Other, please state in bold in the thread.

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  1. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Nico has this season tied up. Fully deserved. *no curse intended. Lewis has lost his head 2011 style.
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I really didn't see anything wrong today. Just looked like hard racing to me.
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    It does seem that way. His behaviour recently has been very odd to say the least.

    He is clearly trying to make a statement with it, but he just does it without thought when pressure gets to him, as if he has outdone himself with his own mind games, as you say, just like 2011.

    Needs to stop trying to be clever and get back to winning on the track, not off it.
     
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  4. TopClass

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    I feel like the timing of this seasons bad luck has left him with a mountain to climb with little time.

    Last two years he's always had time to put it right but last week was a crucial swing. Their car has such pace that you would need reliability issues for Nico for this to swing back, or else Nico should easily finish 2nd in the remaining 4 races.

    HAM has to try and make this tight going into the final race just to maximise any pressure on Rosberg he can.
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Was it Crofty? I just got to see the race on you tube, it's first time I've seen it via sky, and now I get all the Crofty hate. Tthe guy is a proper tool, he kept getting everything wrong. Brundle seems less than impressed with him and ignored his inane whitterings half the time, it's a shame Brundle isn't more Hunt like, he could have a field day with him.

    As to the race, it was a decent race as long as you looked beyond first place, plenty of over-taking action and battles down the field. As to Max's move, hmmm, borderline for me, he didn;t weave which is my usual complaint against him, but it was late. Sooner or later he'll do it and the person behind won't be able to avoid him and he'll be the one out, maybe after that happens he'll be a bit more circumspect with the late moves.
     
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  6. taeleon

    taeleon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah it was Crofty, the one and only. xD
     
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  7. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    I think Brundle was instrumental in removing Jonathan Legard from his position with the BBC, as again he just ended up either ignoring him, correcting him without apology and just generally seeming a bit offish with him. Wonder if he will try and do the same with Croft?

    But then it leaves another void to be filled. Who should fill it?

    We also need to leave the ghost of Murray Walker alone. Nothing will compare to the Walker/Hunt and Walker/Brundle combinations. They both worked so well and for very different reasons.

    We all lambasted James Allen's time with ITV, but is it time to give him a second go?
     
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  8. JonnyBaws

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    Crofty's issue is, he came from Radio, where, in the absence of pictures, he had to talk... A LOT!
    He's taken that same approach over to TV.. he talks too much and most of the time its not relevant, sometimes, he needs to back off and let the pictures do the talking.
    Of recent times, I thought Brundle and DC were a very good pairing.. both know their onions and worked well together, for example, having to "fill" for over 2 hours at the 2011 Canadian GP, was superb, nearly as good as the race!
    However, with DCs company producing the C4 coverage, he won't be teaming up with Brundle anytime soon!
     
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  9. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    As for this race, apart from Rosberg driving off into the distance, the race behind him was superb.
    Good, clean racing throughout the field, enjoyed that!
     
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  10. Smithers

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  11. eddie_squidd

    eddie_squidd Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm…. Lewis is imploding. Stop imploding Lewis. Just been reading some of the comments on social media from his fans all claiming it's a fix.

    Even I think he is being a dick this time. Whether you win or lose Lewis, do it with dignity. I'm not a fan of Nico at all but he has shown great grace in defeat the last few years, it would make you a better man if you could do the same.
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

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    Hamilton's had some bad luck here and there, but to honest he's really not been at his best this season. He's letting Rosberg take it without really having to fight for it.

    It's quite incredible how little wheel to wheel we've have between the two this season, and when they have they've turned it in to a game of dodgems. The pair of em should stop pouting when things aren't going their way and get on with some bloody racing.
     
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  13. allsaintchris.

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    Agreed.

    Hamilton has lost a lot of points because he could not get his car off the line properly. Add that to his mechanical issues and its easy to see how Nico is likely to win the title, but Hamilton should shoulder a lot of any 'blame' as he could have made the difference and still won it if only he didn't have the start issues.

    Maybe it would have made a 4th WDC even more impressive for him?
     
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  14. Smithers

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    Pretty impressive

     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    It's not a million miles off. He's not driving as badly as he was that season, but I certainly think his head is entirely in a similar way.

    I hate to speculate, but I do sometimes wonder if he suffers from some type of mental condition. There are times that I battle my own demons which affect me in a multitude of ways. I could be way off, but racing drivers are human just like the rest of us.
     
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  16. TopClass

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    What was it that Toto said before the race on Sunday that pissed one or two people off?

    (I remember someone mentioning it briefly on here?)

    I know I read something about him whining at the 2017 regulations recently too which was basically BS.
     
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  17. TopClass

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    It's a tough one with Hamilton. We're saying he's having a meltdown yet 2 weeks ago he had dominated Nico in Malaysia until his engine blew and would have been what, 5 points behind or something? A bad getaway in Suzuka and he's 33 points behind.

    He was fannying around in the media conference and yes he has reacted like a petulant child but equally Brundle reckons some of these guys he's had no respect for a long time for them based on the **** they write about him.

    Having said that, I do feel like Lewis is trying to present an image all the time and I think Lewis is at his best on track when he is completely himself- the lad from Stevenage who was born to race.

    Love him or hate him, he's an unbelievably quick driver and has showed it in both dominant and less than dominant cars, against a good generation. It's not too dissimilar from Senna, who often felt the world was against him (in his case, justifiably so when we look back!) and lest we forget James Hunts legendary tale of punching the press guy in the face for getting too personal with Lauda.

    Lewis is a bit too involved with the empty airhead celebs of Hollywood and that makes him look a massive twat, and combined with that he just took the punch in the face of an engine failure and 25 point swing in the past fortnight. He's not gonna be bouncing happy!


    Personally I think he'll call time on his Mercedes venture sooner rather than later and I have always said he will go back and drive a McLaren Honda IF they can ever nail that power unit down.

    Anyway- one DNF for Nico and this will swing completely so let's not count any chickens just yet.
     
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  18. Smithers

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    I think Brundle summed it up in his article very well - "childish".
     
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  19. eddie_squidd

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    I don't think we would be talking about a meltdown if it wasn't for the Snapchat business and associated fallout. That was worrying.

    Even in Japan with his poor start he still drove really well later and made good overtakes.

    I suspect this is all about losing control of the championship. As it stands at the moment it is out of his hands and not being in control of his destiny is not going to be at all comfortable for him.

    As you say it can all change with a DNF and for the sake of the championship you have to hope there are some more twists and turns to come, but if he does win it from here, who wants to win by default because the other guy had a failure?
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

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    I'm not so sure about that. He's usually fairly comfortable being the hunter in these situations. I get the feeling there's more to it than trailing Rosberg. I don't buy there being any team shenanigans, but something has him distracted and not in a positive way.
     
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