Ignoring my point about Hamilton getting a penalty in Fuji 2008 for the same offence as Rosberg, or is that just not convenient for your argument?
Also just to point out, this is the part of the corner Lewis turned in on his pole lap: please log in to view this image This was the point he turned in when Rosberg and him collided. please log in to view this image As you can see by his pole lap, he clearly has the racing line as he isn't going to drive a random line on his pole lap with no one around him. He is also ahead as Rosberg can't even be seen along side him on his camera.
shall we go and compare the 'racing lines' hamilton has taken in the past and then comare them, or will that highlight your hypocrisy and double standards too much? please log in to view this image this is his in Hungary v Ricciardo, legal apparently.
Go for it. There will be examples both for and against. Some he came out on top, others he lost. Some he got penalties for, some he didn't. No hypocrisy on my side. I'm open about when he has screwed up and when he hasn't.
I'm sorry, I must have missed the post I said Hamilton is always right and never makes a mistake or makes idiotic moves. Please. Can you point it out to me?
I think the Miggs point is (?) and I eluded to it much earlier in the thread. Lewis didn't have to turn at that point (although it was the ideal point for both braking and turn in) which is exactly what Nico was trying to prevent him in doing. Roles reversed, Nico would have jumped off the track and thats the difference between the two of them. This isn't about justifying Nico as being in the right (for me - I said straight way it was deliberate), this is about asking the question about incidents in the past (and there will be more in the future) as to whether a driver avoiding contact is somehow a lesser incident than a driver refusing to yield/avoid and being part of a collision. Bahrain was a great example of yielding at the crucial point to avoid contact - if that action hadn't of happened it would have likely ended the same as yesterday. They both appear beyond that line now which I personally think is great for racing.
See I disagree with this slightly. On this occasion I was trying to point out that Lewis didn't take the optimum line. He actually went further and gave the corner to Nico before turning to try and ensure he didn't hit him. Had the roles been reversed I honestly think Lewis would have made the corner without hitting Nico but then tried to close the gap on the way out forcing Nico to either back out or take to the grass. I'm not saying that is right either but it's certainly more fair then just driving straight on the corner and colliding into your team mate. Though it also has to be pointed out that had this played out like it should have, without contact, Lewis would likely have been coming up Nico's right on the exit to the corner. Lewis has gone long on the corner to not only give the corner and make sure he doesn't hit Nico but to turn sharper and come up the other side. At least that's what it looks like. Lewis does make some idiotic moves and does get away with them when perhaps he shouldn't but the reason he gets away with them (at least in my opinion (again not saying it's right, just the why)) is as more often than not they are borderline fair/unfair and hard for a neutral to call, what Nico did yesterday was way beyond borderline. From my understanding of the rules (I could be wrong with this), the responsibility of not colliding is on the attacking driver unless he is half way along side the defending car. If the attacking car is more than half way along then the defending driver must give a car's width. This is where Lewis falls foul, sometimes defending he doesn't give room when the defending driver is half way along and takes the "racing line" to the edge of the circuit running the attacking driver out of road, and perhaps he should be punished more for it to clamp down on it and as others have said, if Nico wants to give him a taste of his own medicine then do the same but be smart about it. Don't just drive straight into your team mate. As sad as this is I honestly believe that from next season Merc need to have a number 1 and a number 2 driver from the start. Whoever that is, Nico or Lewis, it's the only way to stop this happening in the future as Nico and Lewis clearly no longer trust each other on the race track.
oh, we're taking that rule over 'whoever has the inside line' rule are we, and ignoring the 'no changes of direction in corners' I wonder why. You lot make me laugh, I'm unsurprised at how quickly you change views depending on whether it's Lewis doing it or getting it done to him. If it's okay for one, then it should be okay for the other except the golden egg is involved, so rules are ignored, though if the booing continues maybe they'll decide to start applying them fairly.
Optimum or not it was as near dam it the racing line (with as you say an allowance for error from either driver), which was his advantage of Nico. Lewis was in a win win position (until the point of contact) - he either roles off the brake because of Nico's compromised line relying on Nico giving him "one cars width" on exit, or he waits for Nico to go too deep and switches back with better traction and the car already rotated - which I think is what you were saying. This was what Nico was trying to prevent by blocking almost both lines to what would have been a standstill - except there was a resultant contact which we all seem to believe was deliberate, but I believe was still potentially avoidable. I say avoidable because Lewis "could" have chosen to avoid the impact. If he had done and run off the track, then we are into the debate of being forced to leave the track, gaining an advantage etc. This incident would/could have been replicated in Bacra "IF" Lewis had got up the inside instead of running onto the grass. It would have been roles reversed into the next corner in which Lewis's acute angle entry speed would have forced him into a similar move. However, the likely difference would have been that Lewis would have been more subtle with his steering inputs as opposed to Nico's comical inputs, and Nico would not have turned in. He would then have been slaughtered for "trying to hang it round the outside of a driver like Lewis" - and this is where the problem lies. The actions are often similar, but the outcome can be so different based on who yields when and where - driving standards (*) is not just about contact. (*) Driving standards are being affected by the wrong rules and the wrong interpretation and I have bleating about this for the last 2 or so season where hard racing has been penalised and bad driving standards has been ignored or only reprimanded.
...because the rules are not fit for purpose mate - this is the issue. Cars width here, partially/substantially along side and cars having a right to certain lines - they are utterly and fundamentally flawed.
They are fit for purpose if they are applied consistently, but as soon as Hamilton is involved it seems there's a directive from above that means consistency flies out of the window and is applied to whichever result favours the golden goose.
Correct. There is no hard and fast rule that prevents a driver forcing another driver off the track anymore. It should be set in stone, regardless of track position. A driver should take their normal racing line where possible and afford a fellow driver at least 1 cars width at all time, again regardless of where they are on the track. As a Barca comparison, check out Perez/Sainz contact on the back straight. Was that looked at by the stewards? Not sure if it was but could easily have been a Ham/Ros all over again. If no action taken, then consistent with Ham/Ros from Barca, but still very dangerous.
Goldilocks v Golden Goose, The battle for 2016 WDC. I can see that as the title for the year end DVD review.
It's worrying that you're being serious. I've seen your posts from over the years, Hamilton is the only man to blame in any circumstance. Hamilton has received quite a few penalties from over the years. Racing would be boring if you were in charge, well for starters you would hamilton's car clamped to his garage so he couldn't race.
Really, I suggest you go read who I blamed for the first corner accident in Austin, that'll blow what you've just stated straight out of the water. Hamilton had more than enough room, far more than he ever gives people, as the pictures quite clearly show.
