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Grand Prix thread Not606 2016 Austrian Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jun 21, 2016.

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Who Will Crack Open a Well Deserved Cool Beer Over The Ă–sterreich

Poll closed Jul 2, 2016.
  1. Nico Rosberg

    7 vote(s)
    38.9%
  2. Lewis Hamilton

    5 vote(s)
    27.8%
  3. Sebastian Vettel

    5 vote(s)
    27.8%
  4. Kimi Raikkonen

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  5. Daniel Ricciardo

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    5.6%
  6. Max Verstappen

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  7. Valtteri Bottas

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    0.0%
  8. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Felipe Massa

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Other: Please State In Bold

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  1. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    I think Rosberg got a bit lucky with his punishment, if the shoe was on the other foot it would be RIP twitter. They were going much slower than they needed to be for the corner yet Rosberg decided run Hamilton off, the running off I can understand, but it would have been shockingly obvious. I can only assume it was panic or brain fade as I'm not sure what he was hoping to gain. It's a tarmac run off and he'd be at crawling pace by the time they reached the white line.

    It's just a plain odd thing to see. I hope it doesn't ruin the title fight.
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

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    I think it's just poor decision making in a fight.
     
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  3. BrightLampShade

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    The smart thing would be to turn in and feint understeer until you've run Hamilton to the car destroying kerbs. Or just plain ease him off the track. If his car survives the kerbs then he's still going to be short of traction and so the lead is retained.

    Rosberg was going slower than needed to make the corner yet seemed intent on running Hamilton off the track at a perpendicular angle. The more I think about it the more I can see why Toto is fuming. Other incidents this season have been hard but fair, or fair attempts that went wrong, from both Hamilton and Rosberg. This was just... well to quote a man, idiotic.
     
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    That's what I can't quite get... he could have pushed Hamilton wide on the way out and squeezed him on to the kerbs. I think he panicked personally.
     
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  5. Mr.B

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    I'm guessing he had too many things going on in his head - some of them to do with his immediate situation, and some of them to do with wanting to make a statement based on past incidents. From the video analysis (BLS posted on page 10), and me trying to imagine what's going on in his mind...

    • Approaching Turn 1 - his tyres are suffering, his brakes are suffering, his team mate & nemesis is on his tail. It's a desperate situation. There's 1 lap left for one of them to score a vital victory. He knows Hamilton will be throwing everything at him. If he had decent tyres and brakes, he might be more confident. But as things stand, he feels like he's a sitting duck and he's going to have to fight tooth & nail.
    • In Turn 1 - he clips the inside kerb & it puts him momentarily out of shape. "Sh*t!" As if things weren't already hard enough! This is an added complication he doesn't need.
    • Exit from Turn 1 - having been flicked momentarily out of shape, he'll be intent on not losing even more time on the outer kerb (including the raised yellow kerb).
    • Driving away from Turn 1 - he'll be kicking himself, and checking his mirrors. "Where's Hamilton? Final lap. Just fight him off for one more lap. Where is he?" He's trying to see where Hamilton is, position himself on the track to make it hard for Hamilton to pass, he's probably also monitoring his steering wheel lights and trying to maximise whatever is left in his brakes.
    • Approach to Turn 2 - he sees Hamilton has caught him, dived out of his slipstream, and is pulling alongside. "#$%^&*! The track is so wide here. There isn't just a single line. My tyres & brakes are gone. I can't hold him off."
    • Braking area for Turn 2 - at this point, I reckon he's thinking back to decision he's already made at some point in the past, to put a marker down against his nemesis. A decision that, the next time they're in this situation, he's going to show he can be ruthless too. "F*ck it, he's not getting past. It's his turn to be shoved off the track!"

    So in that blink of an eye, his focus was on man-to-man combat, and he stopped thinking about the rules of racing.

    Did it go as far as thinking "I'd rather take us both out"? I suspect not.
    I suspect that, in that fraction of a second, the pent up anger from past incidents just overcame him.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

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    That's how I feel about it. More panic than any intention to take him out.

    The thing is, if Rosberg has been of the mindset that he wasn't going to take any more bullying from Hamilton... where will his mind be now next time they're wheel to wheel? It is quite an interesting dynamic and really will make the title fight more interesting if it's going to be solely down to those two yet again.
     
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    Surely he wouldn't want to get another reprimand and he might be thinking if he gets it wrong again he might get a grid penalty which is what he was lucky not to get today. Lol
     
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  8. SgtBhaji

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    I really don't think any penalty was in order to be honest. He penalized himself.

    He's displayed that he struggles to really defend without a big dive or a desperate block which just haven't worked out for him, which may make him rethink... rather than the risk of a penalty.
     
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    Let's not forget that he did get two penalties, it's just the time one had no further effect.

    Whilst that seems odd, it's preferable to the alternative of allowing variable penalties which the stewards can use to try to provide consistent effects. If they'd finished 1-2 the ten seconds would have turned it in to a 1-4 and to me that would have felt about right.
     
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    Silverstone should be decent fun!!

    Cooler conditions seemed to suit the Ferrari this weekend- can Silverstone also play to their strengths or are the Mercs a touch better than them around high speed corners?
     
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    I've had a message from him requesting his account be deleted, and that he has no intention of returning. Moderators can't delete accounts, so that has happened. Up to him whether he chooses to come back when he's cooled off.
     
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  12. allsaintchris.

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    We've seen this before, this is about the 3rd or 4th time he has said he wants an account deleted etc.

    All members contributions are valuable, it's the variety that prompts debate which keeps a forum going. It's a shame it gets taken so personally sometimes
     
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    It was the pit stop strategy report for you mate, the other was just for humour.
     
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    These are the two clear points to be discussed and the stewards have devalued the penalty system.
     
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    I think you'll find Lewus is closer to toting up, however some of those have been bullshit. The stewards have failed to get a grasp of penalising the right incidents with the appropriate reprimand.
     
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  16. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I don't hear any of you complain when Hamilton gets of scot free every time he does exactly the same thing to other people.
     
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  17. Smithers

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    That's my point Migs, they have done him on bullshit and not on other things. Same as the Nico penalty, pointless. If they feel if his fault then do him, same as Barca.

    I'm one of the first on here moaning when Lewis gets away with ****.
     
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  18. BrightLampShade

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    New evidence has changes my opinion. Looks totally different after a days break.

    IMG_20160704_120455.jpg
     
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  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    regardless where you put the apex, there's still far more than a cars width to the left of Hamilton, I guess you consider taking that sort of defensive line legal only when Hamilton is doing it.

    better go edit it some more and delete the outside part of the track
     
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  20. taeleon

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    You do realise though that Hamilton has the racing line and is ahead approaching the corner?

    Yes there is a cars width to his left but there is about 3 to his right. He's already gone further than he normally would to avoid hitting Rosberg which he didn't need to do given he was ahead and had the racing line. Are you of the mindset he should have just driven off the circuit and kept going just to make sure? Maybe you think he should have kept going and driven head first into the barrier as at least then he wouldn't hit Rosberg right?

    By going as far forward as he did he ended up giving Rosberg the corner, yet Rosberg still kept going forward. I'm surprised even you can blame him for this one.
     
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