Match Day Thread Norwich City v Sunderland

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Round 2

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Norwich City 1 - 3 Sunderland
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HT 0 - 1​

Grabban (78'OG)​

Grabban (27',71') McGeady (60')​

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Attendance: 26,343

Referee: Andrew Madley
Assistant Referees: Neil Davies & Robert Merchant
Fourth Official: Simon Hooper

Date: Sunday 13th August 2017
Venue: Carrow Road
Kick-Off: 01:30PM

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KIO’s not606 Match Preview

Tomorrow Norwich City welcome newly relegated Sunderland to Carrow Road in Round 2 of the SkyBet EF Championship season. The Canaries got off to a promising start last Saturday with a creditable draw against their proverbial ‘bogey’ team Fulham at Craven Cottage. After conceding an unfortunate own goal by Club Captain Russell Martin in the first half, Daniel Farke’s side rallied in the second period and Nelson Oliveira’s 88th minute leveler was no more than they deserved. As the game entered the final stages City’s two substitutes combined with the evergreen Wes Hoolahan chipping a delightful ball through to the Portuguese who calmly brought the ball down on his chest before sweeping it past David Button in the Fulham goal.

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Nelson Oliveira foolishly removes his shirt to make a point​

Oliveira, obviously upset at being left out of the starting line up, sprinted toward his Head Coach with his shirt held aloft pointing to the name on the back. It was a stupid and naive thing to do and although the Canaries chief brushed it off at the time, it became evidently clear afterwards that he was less than happy about the whole situation.
Oliveira was left out altogether for Norwich’s midweek home victory over Swindon Town in the Carabao Cup 1st Round and one can only surmise that it was punishment for his outburst against the Cottagers.

City come from behind to earn a well deserved draw at Craven Cottage​

Sunderland had kicked off their campaign on the Friday evening prior to City’s trip to West London when they entertained Derby County at The Stadium of Light. After going behind to Bradley Johnson’s 11th minute opener it was another former City man that leveled the scores for the Black Cats just before halftime. Lewis Grabban fired homed a 42nd minute penalty after another ex Canary Jacob Butterfield had handled the ball in the box.

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Lewis Grabban on target from the spot against Derby​

Both sides had chances to take all three points with Grabban hitting the woodwork from 18 yards and yet another ex Norwich player Chris Martin firing over for Derby.
Subsequently both sides will be looking for their first 3 points of the season on Sunday and with both clubs having a major overhaul of players and coaching staff in the summer, this really is going to be a hard one to call.

Stalemate at the Stadium of Light
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BBC Match Preview Here:
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• The Canaries have lost just once in their 11 home league games against the Black Cats (W7 D3). However, that loss came in their most recent meeting with Sunderland.
• Indeed, the north-east club picked up all three points in April 2016, only their third league victory away to Norwich in 23 attempts.
• Since the start of last season, no player has provided more open play assists than Norwich's Wes Hoolahan (10, level with Sone Aluko and Tommy Smith).
• Sunderland have won only two of their last 22 league games (D5 L15), although both wins came on the road - 2-0 v Hull in May and 4-0 v Crystal Palace in February.
• The Canaries have lost only once in their last 12 home Championship matches, winning eight and drawing three.
• This will be Sunderland's first away game in the second tier since May 2007 where they beat Luton Town (5-0). Indeed, the Black Cats have won eight of their last 10 on the road in the Championship (D1 L1).

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Sky Sports Match Preview Here:
http://www.skysports.com/football/norwich-vs-sland/preview/374640
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Daniel Farke’s Match Preview

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Daniel Farke previews tomorrow's game
https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/​

“When we look at our first league games, with Fulham, Sunderland, QPR and Aston Villa we know that is quite a hard start.”

“Sunderland is a relegated team, who will want to go back to the Premier League, and they have very good individual players. It is another type to Fulham; more about robust defending and playing a little bit more with long balls and relying on individual quality. It is going to be hard work for us. Simon Grayson is known as a coach who is able to defend very well, to get his sides very compact. It won’t be easy to create chances. But this is our first home game in the league.”

“There is no book you can read where it says what is better, defending the space or man to man marking. There are advantages and disadvantages. We have our style, more to defend the space, but it is always about being aggressive and having the will to attack the ball. We have watched the television pictures again from Swindon and we have worked on this topic in training, we have to improve it. There were big problems in this area last season. The guys know we have to improve.”
“Our idea is to defend a little bit more in the space, but with high responsibility in your area of the pitch. If we are in a defending position we have to make the first move, in comparison to the opponent. When one guy falls asleep in man to man situations then it is perhaps clearer but it is the same principle. If one or two guys are not awake, not hungry then you will concede.”

Daniel Farke on Alex Pritchard's injury and the last word on Nelsonn Oliveira​

"They [Sunderland] defend robustly and it will be hard work for us. We've been working on defending from set-pieces this week, the guys know they have to improve that."

"We have such a good attitude and atmosphere in the whole group, that's our real strength; we have such a wonderful group of players. Steven Naismith asked to play and train with the Under-23s because of his suspension.”

"I like that attitude. Each and every player, and every staff member, has to be thankful to work for this club. It's a great honour to work for Norwich City.”

"You have to have that honour in mind each and every day. You only have success when you work with a special attitude and style.

"I am here to bring a certain working attitude, style and hopefully success."

……….. and on Nelson Oliveira:

“For sure, Nelson knows he made a mistake. He apologised in front of the group and now for me the topic is finished, he has to prove it on the pitch and in the dressing room but for me it is finished.”

Simon Grayson’s Match Preview

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Black Cats boss Simon Grayson gives his thoughts​

“We need to build on the two results we have had so far, and keep going along in a positive manner.”

“We’re in a good state of mind at the moment, given the way that we’ve played and the results we have had.”

“I think they [Norwich] probably underachieved last year with the parachute payments they received and the Premier League players they have got.”

“We’re going to go there and respect the opposition, but ultimately to do whatever is required to get a good result.”

“There is a hardcore of British players that we know about and that were at Norwich last year, but certainly new players have come in.”

“Against Fulham last weekend, he [Farke] started with three centre-backs, changed at half-time, and then went to a back four on Tuesday night in the cup against Swindon Town.”

“So we’re a little bit in the dark about what system he will play, but really we need to concentrate on what we need to do.”

Current Form (Last 6 Competitive Fixtures – Most Recent First)

Norwich City

WDWDWW

NORWICH HOME

Norwich have won 65%, drawn 15% and lost 20% of their last 20 home games.

In their last 20 home games against teams positioned in the top half of the table, Norwich have won 6, drawn 6 and lost 8 of these matches.

In their last 20 home games against teams positioned above them in the table, Norwich have won 6, drawn 5 and lost 9 of these matches.

Sunderland

DLLLWL

SUNDERLAND AWAY

Sunderland have won 15%, drawn 10% and lost 75% of their last 20 away games.

In their last 20 away games against teams positioned in the bottom half of the table, Sunderland have won 6, drawn 5 and lost 9 of these matches.

In their last 20 away games against teams positioned below them in the table, Sunderland have won 8, drawn 6 and lost 6 of these matches.

MATCH STATISTICS www.kickoff.co.uk

Fixture History

There have been 60 competitive meetings between the two sides with the Canaries having the upper hand. To date Norwich have 27 wins, Sunderland have 18 and there have been 15 stalemates.

League Games 46

Norwich Wins: 21
Sunderland Wins: 13
Draws: 12

FA Cup Ties 7

Norwich Wins: 2
Sunderland Wins: 4
Draws: 1

League Cup Ties 7

Norwich Wins: 4
Sunderland Wins: 1
Draws: 2

The two sides first met on 14th January 1911 in an FA Cup First Round tie at the Nest, the Canaries progressing to Round 2 with a 3-1 win.

Norwich and Sunderland did not meet again for 40 years until they were drawn together in the FA Cup once more.
On 10th February 1951 in Round 5 at Roker Park Sunderland won the tie 2-0 to progress to the Quarter- Finals.

Sunderland dump City out of the Cup in 1951​

The two sides finally met for the first time in a League fixture on 31st March 1961 in League Division Two at Roker Park the Canaries beating their hosts 3-0.

A wonder strike from Alex Tettey in a 2-0 win for the Canaries on 22nd March 2014 at Carrow Road​

City's biggest margin of victory over the Rokerites (as they were then known), is by 4 goals to 1 which was on 7th February 1962 at Roker Park in the 5th Round of the Football League Cup. The Canaries would eventually go on to win the competition that year beating Rochdale over two legs in the final 4-0.
Sunderland's best win is a 7-1 mauling of the Canaries on the 20th March 1963 in League Division Two also at Roker Park.

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City lift the Milk Cup in 1985 - L to R Chris Woods, Dave Watson, Paul Haylock and Steve Bruce​

The most notable encounter (at least for Norwich City fans), was in 1985 at Wembley Stadium where Norwich lifted the Milk (League) Cup beating Sunderland in the final by a solitary goal. In truth it was a rather dour affair for the neutral with the only real highlights being Asa Hartford's deflected goal for City and Clive Walker's missed penalty for Sunderland.

Highest Norwich City Score

Sunderland 1 Norwich City 4

Highest Sunderland Score

Sunderland 7 Norwich City 1

Highest Aggregate (8)

Sunderland 7 Norwich City1

Club Connections

Those to have played for both the Canaries and the Black Cats include:

Ben Alnwick (Norwich loan), Keith Bertschin, Chris Brown, Kevin Cooper (Sunderland & Norwich loan), Carlos Cuellar, Calum Davenport (Norwich & Sunderland loan), Shaun Elliot, Stephen Elliott (Norwich loan), Dickson Etuhu, Lewis Grabban (Sunderland loan), David Healy (Norwich loan), David Hodgson, Lee Power (Sunderland loan), Carl Robinson, Gary Rowell, Colin Suggett, Michael Turner, James Vaughan, Darren Ward and Chris Woods.

• Norwich playmaker Wes Hoolahan trialed with Sunderland as a teenager but was rejected.

• Norwich City scout and ex player Colin Suggett began his career with Sunderland.

• Former City favourite and Milk Cup winner Steve Bruce once managed Sunderland, as did former City player and manager Martin O'Neil.

Did You Know ?​

Sunderland have won six top-flight First Division (now the Premier League) titles (1892, 1893, 1895, 1902, 1913, and 1936), a total only bettered by five other clubs and have finished runners-up five times. They have also won the FA Cup twice (1937 and 1973) and been runners-up twice (1913 and 1992), as well as winning the FA Community Shield in 1936 and being finalists the following year. Sunderland have also been Football League Cup finalists in 1985 and 2014.

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Sunderland v Aston Villa by Thomas Henry
One of the earliest football paintings in existence from 1895 ​

Sunderland won their first FA Cup in 1937 with a 3–1 victory over Preston North End and remained in the top league for 68 successive seasons until they were relegated for the first time in 1958.

Sunderland played at Roker Park for 99 years before their move to the Stadium of Light in 1997.

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Norwich City with the 'Friendship Trophy' after a 2-1 victory at Roker Park in December 1990 ​

Ever since the 1985 Milk Cup final Norwich and Sunderland have contested the 'Friendship Trophy' in each season they have been in the same division, this is to commemorate the goodwill shown between the two sets of supporters that day. It was unusual because it was a time when football hooliganism was rife, indeed Norwich were to be denied entry into European competition because of events that unfolded in the European Cup final later that same year at the Heysel Stadium. Liverpool's notorious fans ran riot which led to 39 people losing their lives, subsequently English clubs were banned from playing in Europe for five years with Liverpool being excluded for six.

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Bloody hell Rich, what a fantastic thread, well done mate!

 

Thanks Dave, I'm going FCR tomorrow so won't be able to post line up graphics etc pre match unfortunately

Edit:- Had to make a special effort for this one as it's your 'second' team

 

Well win 1-2 in my opinion. Im very optimistic this season if we can bring a double figure a season striker in.
We have a solid central midfield with lots of options of who we could start. Our only downside is our defence but the 2 Everton loanees are begining to show why Everton have just given them both new contracts.

Goodluck for the season after tomorow lads.

 

Nice thread. Nice to see a board with a few involved. Would be happy enough with a draw tomorrow and have been quietly impressed with our side. Good luck for the season (after tomorrow of course)

 

Great thread as usual KIO and I should be in the QoI from around 12.30 and my seat is in area RL (River End) row 'O'.

 

I should be in there well before then mate because of having to get to the ground early with all the body searches etc

 

Wish I was going, body searches are the only sex I get these days!

 

I hope John Oshea doesnt start because i vaguely remember Cameron Jerome torturing him last time he faced him years ago in the Prem.

 

I prefer to go to the Bell for breakfast and a better choice of beer, as the QoI has a very limited choice of real ales on offer on match days.
I wasn't aware that there going to be body searches, just only allowed a small rucksack/bag.

 

We know that Dave.
Never the less I hope we win
But good luck for the rest of the season
Just keep below us

 

Hi Vince, when are you going to come to one of my meet ups? Would love to meet you!

 

Dave me and our Michael would really like to meet up
We have met Syd and some
It's difficult to get the timing right
We will some time

 

Nice thread bitches Be kind to us, we're a team in transition who lost a month of preseason looking for a manager. I think you'll take all the points tomorrow.

 

We're also a team in transition with the new players and different playing style, should be a close game I think.

 

Whole club is on the change for us really. Debt containment means we've spent less than £2m on 7 players with 14 players leaving and more to go. We've even been laying off none playing staff on every level from program sellers to the kit man. The club is still in the stripping back stage of it's transition. Think you'll win it comfortably personally. We've got a long and painful road ahead of us.

 

There was a small group of Sunderland fans singing songs about an illegitimately born Geordie with Aids this afternoon in a packed train carriage with families from Liverpool street to Norwich.
They even abused a young kid at Colchester with learning difficulties, classless scum.

 

What you trying to say like? The population of Sunderland is massive dont judge by a minority ffs

 

What a prick you are.

 

If you all hate Geordies clap your hands (repeat 3 times)
If you all hate Geordies (repeat twice)
**** off Geordies ****ing die

On a packed train with kids on summer holidays for the duration of the journey.


Idiots