Non Football Thread - Moral Compass time, Rs Fans

Given he's presumably now unemployed, can he play left-back?

I don't really see her as a victim. It was probably a fun exciting game for her. They're both idiots- him obviously more so. Should have left his job and waited a few months and noone would have batted an eyelid.

 

Would you want your young daughter masquerading with their teacher?

Hang the Cnut

 

At the risk of doing the whole "I blame the media" thing I'm going to... blame the media.

Teens are bombarded with programs about smart-alec street-wise kids and stuff like MTV's Teen Mom (and no I wouldn't watch trash like that) and then, surprise surprise, start acting like adults.

The concept of the watershed seems almost defunct and even your average perfume ad wouldn't have been shown before 9pm in the 80s.

We basically let children grow up too quickly and then watch on as they then take much longer to mature because their childhoods are never fully realised.

As for this specific case, I defy anyone to say that she was't acting of her own free will.

They both knew that they did wrong and he'll pay for it because he abused his professional position and broke the law but the reality of it is that we've built a society where this kind of thing happens and then throw our hands up in disgust when it does.

Wrong but IMO not as morally wrong as real kidnapping or the unmotivated crimes that are now commonplace but don't get the column inches.

I'm not a dad and so don't share that outrage although accept it as a very understandable reaction.

 

'Young teacher, the subject, of schoolgirl fantasy...' It happens - as does the converse.

Moral compass?

Just cos we fancy something, doesn't mean we can have it - especially where it involves a victim. Respect and due restraint is the answer to the forbidden fruit. It's the essence of our social responsibility.

Of course, there are those with 'illnesses' that distort those responsibilities. Acknowledgement of this is a moral virtue but should never imply leniency nor preclude sanction whilst hurt or danger remains.

Once a case has been determined through professional judgement, punishment should be left to the discretion of the victim and/or victims where families are concerned.

Whether that punishment is publicised or not, the fact alone embraces both the need for 'satisfaction' and deterrent.

So whilst the teacher may have himself been a victim of 'love' (infatuation or whatever), he like the rest of us is expected to show due restraint. His failure to control himself equates to robbing that family of their (legal) child. That's a crime in anyone's book and in order to weigh the scales of justice, his fate should be left to the discretion of the girl's parents. (Dependant upon the actual circumstances involved and the level of her mental maturity, I'm sure the girl would do what she could to influence the parents' decision.)

Morality and justice, Brixton style... vote for me!!

 

You're right in what you say about the TV and other media targeting of young girls but the teacher is a mature adult in a position of trust, which has been abused, albeit with a willing 'victim'. It is his weakness that led to this situation.

On another perspective, I worked in a secondary school 30 years ago and the 15 year old girls were hardly shrinking violets then let alone now. I and the other maintenance staff were often propositioned by 'over-developed' young ladies and you wouldn't go anywhere near the gym changing rooms. But it was strictly 'ignore'...

 

In terms of a moral compass, we don't have one any more. Witness a couple of ****s on 'Mr & Mrs' a week ago. Gay weddings, etc. I might be the only person who is prepared to say it, but the rot has already set in. (Sits back and awaits dogs abuse)

 

I'm a bit confused where the moral decay is in your example so please elaborate (although probably best if you didn't on second thoughts).

 

My point being that we accept the immorality of the perversion that is a same sex 'relationship'. Easy I thought.

 

Most likely scenario

- He'll be sacked, banned from teaching, possibly charged with abduction (but not statutory rape because she won't give evidence against him)

- She'll make life hell for her parents and step-parents for interfering, go back to school under sufferance but in a few month's time when she's 16, she'll be looking to leave home and go back to Bordeaux with him when he's out of prison

 

I won't say too much for risk of getting an otherwise excellent thread shut down.

Perversion is different to immorality. Just because YOU don't think it is natural does not necessarily mean it's wrong (otherwise you'd be preaching about the immorality of heterosexual oral sex which isn't exactly "natural").

I'll leave it there.

 

Someone's reported your post - seen it on the Spy thing

Up the ****s!!

 

Interesting this as it was written by an ex-school teacher.

 

I dont think he will be charged with abduction as she went willingly. He could get something if they had sex but then again if that happened in France and the AOC is 15 there, he did nothing illegal.

I just think he will be sacked and that will be it. They might get together when shes 16 and theres nothing anyone can do about it.

 

You're a good man, Nines.

 

Just because YOU think it is natural does not necessarily mean it's right. I'm not preaching at all. Was Darwin wrong?

 

On the abduction issue, she can't consent because legally she's a child.

On the AOC, they are both citizens of England and Wales and I'm sure an English Court would have no difficulty in finding that English law applied to the teacher and his conduct. But unless she does a U turn, I doubt she'll give evidence against him

 

I saw an interview with a 50ish year old woman who had an affair with her teacher when she was 14 and he was 30. They didn't run away together, but when it was found out. He was sent away in disgrace (the past is a different country) and she never saw him again.

She spoke about how he was "the love of her life", how she felt betrayed by her family, the authorities and even him. She spent her young years in trouble and it took her till she was 35 to marry and divorce came quickly. Basically the whole thing had ruined her life.....but she said on the interview, that she still loved him now 35 years later, if he had come back at anytime she would have gone back to him....She pointed out to the interviewer that first love, I think especially in girls....but stand to be corrected here is possible the strongest emotion a woman may ever feel.

I think everyone needs to be careful here. Yes I agree with much of what has been said about him...he should have controlled himself....held off for another 6months etc (and also he was ONLY JUST married....what the ****). At this moment, the poor girl has been "rescued" from the most romantic adventure, she has been separated from someone I am sure she truly loves.

I hope the result is..... He gets arrested and put away for a reasonable amount of time ("pour encourager les autres")....but that they get back together and the live a long and happy life together.....However I suspect he is just a s*** and now he has had his bit of fun, he will be off to pastures new!

 

I need to know. What did Darwin say on this subject?

 

I never said Darwin had anything to say on the subject, unless you know different. But let me just use the word 'evolution'. I need not explain more, or do I?