Im beginning to think the same cosicave, he is very against us. But on the topic, I think Bahrain is using this race a desperate attempt to bring a sense of unity and road to recovery for the people. Like the guy that i posted earlier talking about Bahrain, this is good for pro goverment civilians, I still get the sense this is a patch away job, and we will fix it later.
Yes. I agree. This is why I mentioned that F1 is being used as a convenient political pawn in someone else's wholly unrelated game. And for this reason - quite apart from very genuine threats to its own security - F1 would do well to steer clear for the time being.
Yep, I'd have to agree with cosicave, I think F1 should steer clear, and if the sport wishes to remain independent of politics, then the threat to drivers, mechanics, support staff, etc, etc and potentially the fans attending the Grand Prix remain very real. You could argue that, from the perspective of Bahrain itself, that holding a race this year could potentially risk future races in the country. An incident this year would make teams even more reluctant to return, and could lead to it being removed from the calendar permanently. Money appears to the no object for the government of Bahrain with regards attracting F1, so why not leave the race off the calendar this year, and effectively buy the sport back, with far less effort and protest, next year when hopefully they will have improved the situation, and simultaneously secure the future of F1 in Bahrain for longer.
To which the only reply, I guess is that what price do you put on a life? Its not my favourite argument really, as it rather kills discussion somewhat, but I guess the FIA, FOTA, etc, need to weigh up the potential risk, and by the sounds of what we've heard from Red Bull (who admittedly may be more financial stable than some teams), it appears to not be enough.
The FIA have the same concerns as we do - that's why the Bahrain Grand Prix was postponed in the first place. It was the FIA who decided it was suitable to go back to Bahrain, and unless FOTA or senior figures in F1 unanimously oppose the 2011 Bahrain GP, I trust the FIA have made the right decision.
Yes , looking back on my comment which i wrote quickly, i dont think the FIA would let a race go ahead if it was unsafe, I hope Bernie is a bigger man than whats in the suitcases.
Well you have to laugh. This thread is trying to encourage people to sign a meaningless document and not one single person on this thread has explained why they think people should sign up. You seem more interested in trying to criticise me for challenging your view than you are in promoting your own viewpoint. So what is it now? The reason to boycott Bahrain is to protect the people that change the tyres? Just explain to me what your criteria is for boycotting a sporting event. I will of course ignore comments regarding the boycott of Russia and USA Olympics.
Because it will not make a difference to the people of that country or the complex tribal and religious issues that exist in that country. There are a lot of problems worldwide and we have no control or influence on them. F1 uses petrol that is sourced from where? The author of this thread disparages women but then people demand that I should stick to F1. Not one single person has put forward a reason why Bahrain should be denied hosting a sporting event. You people have quoted harm to sponsors or threats to the welfare of team members. You are not thinking about the people in that country are you?
I can't help but think that the Bahrain GP was cancelled as the media interest at the time was all about Bahrain, so from world political point of view, it would notl ook good to host a multi-million dollar event in a country where its people wre being persectued by the government in front of the TV cameras at the time. China's human rights record is atrocious, yeet as the western media are not allowed to see what goes on for the most part, it gets ignored so China is fine to host an F1 race. When the Bahrain GP is run later this year, the hope for F1 is that the camera's are still pointing elsewhere and all the trouble from earlier in the year will be forgotten. If Bernie or anyone else suggest this is not money motivated, they are simply lying. Bahrain is not a 'traditonal' venue, niether is it one that many fans hold on good memeory as the races have harldy been sxciting. As I see it, there is no reason to give Bahrain any special dispensation to run the race later in the year. It should have been scheduled in the 2012 calendar and that is all.
Cosi, I got a general jist of the thread, but found it hard to work out which way it was trying to go (maybe its the beer muddlign my mind!) Thought I'd get my 2 pence worth in on this one without going on a world police crusdae rant!
ASChris: I actually thought your post was very reasonable under the circumstances. I'll send you a PM to clarify.
Good post allsaintschris No one objected when Bahrain was added to the calendar. The teams want as much money as they can get. Nothing wrong with trying to maximise your income stream. But please not606F1 people spare me these crocodile tears about the poor individuals that you think about today and then forget about tomorrow.
Thanks Cosi. I am not against the Bahrain GP, I'd happily have 30 GP's a year!, just think we need to be a bit open minded when we look at Bahrain compared to what is going on in other countries (included the western world) before everyone gets to judgemental.
I still agree with some of the points that RI raises, as I agree with some of the points other posters have made on this thread. However RI, I don't think that anyone is criticising you, it appears that you are simply unhappy with the explanations given to you for the actions of the other posters. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
OK I will try to clarify my viewpoint in respect of hosting sporting events. If a person objects to a sporting event being hosted in a particular state then the objector should be able to articulate their reasons and be willing to apply their criteria across the board. No one has put forward any reason for banning the Bahrain race. What we have on this thread is a post created by a person that belittles women and then demands that we follow his view. He brings in politics, science and history and then demands that we stick to sport. When we stick to sport citing events taking place in other obnoxious countries then he demands that we stick to F1. When we question F1 races taking place in China and Abu Dhabi then he looks for some other cop out. What is the criteria for objecting to Bahrain hosting a F1 race? Why are we not allowed to apply this criteria to another sporting event such as Football or cricket? Hide behind limp excuses all you like but when you ask for people to sign a petition then at least you should be able to put a reasonable case forward.
