I imagine Pugh will have cost more in wages than Gradel, but we got a large fee for Gradel while Pugh cost £500k. Howson was on good money, and Webber as replacement will be peanuts. We were a lifeline for Webber, to get him back in the shop window for 6 months, I will be surpised if he is on more than £1k per week.
1) They weren't replaced because Townsend and Delph were loan signings that have already left. 2) As far as I know they were both on less than £11k and both offered not much more than they were already earning.
I expect most of Robinson's wages are paid by Bolton. Forsell was out of work so won't have commanded a high wage. Brown was out of contract from the cash strapped Portsmouth, he won't have commanded a high wage either. Pugh is a tall, not particularly skilled player who couldn't get in the Stoke first team, so I doubt he'll have commanded much either. End of the day, players in League Two don't play for free either.
Which begs the question why was it good business to sell them, like we're so often told? Players like this are hard to replace even if you do have a decent amount of money, there's no guarantee any given new player will deliver. Bates is taking a gamble, but the wrong type of gamble. He's gambling with the quality of the playing squad, spending **** all and hoping it pays off. If the barrel scraping doesn't pay off, it was the manager's fault for getting the wrong players, or not motivating them, or it's the fans fault for being so negative, or the players fault for being lazy or asking for too much money. Never his fault for being a cheap stingy old bastard who wants to get something for nothing.
Putting us into administration after increasing our debt by £18 million, almost entirely accountable to his "business partner's", which they were prepared to write off if he took control of the club after administration. The other option was that he liquidated the club. So, in fact, he held the club hostage. No saving occurred, he put the club in danger of liquidation.
So what your saying is money is not Millwall's issue, then why is your team so s__t? Is it that hard to convince players to play for you?
I've not read the whole thread yet from where I left off but I will say this, Do you think that what you are saying is caused by the fans? These protests that are supposedly doing the club good is the thing killing the club. Your saying we made 950k last year and we have had 4000 less supporters this year which turns that profit into a loss of a similar figure. Therefore we are losing money BECAUSE the fans are refusing to go BECAUSE we aren't investing as much money as we could/should which means its a vicious circle that no one wants to back out of because they think there exactly right and won't compromise. I'm not just talking about Bates, I'm talking about fans.
FFS our chairman is a legend (the best in my lifetime) who has pumped £20m of his own money into the club and yours is a **** is what I meant! You don't need telling that Coco is a **** and that you'd swap chairmans any day of the week
The fans are the paying customer, Josh. The paying customer is not expected to be flexible and change based on the circumstances. If a company is losing business because the market demands have changed, do you blame the customer for changing their demands? No you ****ing don't, you blame the company for being dumb enough to not adapt to those changes. The paying customer has no obligations to keep paying for anything they are not happy with. Yes, we are in a vicious circle that's spiraling out of control but the fans should never be accept to cave. They feel they are not getting what they pay for, so they stop going, meaning there's less money to provide a better service because the board refuses to let the non-essentials take the hit. The money is there but the board is stubborn. In no comparable business situation would you ever expect anyone other than the business to back down and give the customers what they want.
Josh.. Imagine the money in Leeds United is water and the club is a leaky old bucket used to store it. We know that some of the money/water is disappearing through small cracks, but it is still holding onto some of it. Now to fix the problem the answer is not to keep putting more water into the bucket, this will just cause it to spill out or even make the cracks larger. The best way to sort it is to stop filling the bucket and fix the leaks. Or even better get a new bucket. Only an idiot would stand there pouring more water in to solve the problem.... I hope this helps clear it up for you...
Yea, Im not saying the fans should cave in. You've misunderstood, I can understand unhappiness in fans, I'm unhappy with the club but then you can't expect us to fully back Warnock with heaps of money. The reason being is because fans aren't showing up. I can't say anything about showing up, I havn't been to Elland Road since december and havn't gone more than 5 times for about 2 or 3 years. I have always expected the club to fix the issue not the fans
We can fully expect the full backing of Warnock. With the loss in turnover taken into account, we're down around the region of £25 million for this season and expecting something similar next season. If the board stops having a paddy about having to spend money on the Subbuteo team instead of the Lego set, there's easily £15 million to spend on the playing staff. That's £3 million more than we're currently spending on playing staff without the pathetic excuse that we're over the limit on a pathetically small budget. There's money there, the books just make it look like there's less because the board spend it on outgoings that we'll never know what they are or why we're spending them, most likely to get the money out of the club and make it look like we can afford **** all. In Old Peacock's metaphor - if we plug the holes in the bucket we still have half a bucket of water.
Which is what I was saying and then for some reason JLA kept asking me where is the money going to come from
I don't know Josh. I think we've finally reached that point where the whole thing has been done to death, we're only still arguing the same pointless points because nothing is going to change and we're all fearful for the future of our club, and all because of a man who likes power a little too much.
