Probably not, but that doesn't mean it was all luck and Button still had a lot of work to do. We cant discount every race there was a saftey car. It would have been a great drive by Button regardless.
Button was over 2 seconds a lap quicker at the end. i think he deserved to win that insane Canadian GP.
After the last SC was Button not last? Even though it had bunched up the field Button was still last and Vettel was first and yet Button won the race.
never said it wasnt a decent drive -- button still needed the unfair manufactured advantage of the safety car multiple times to win --
it was not just about the last safety car is was also about the previous 5 times it came out , think you will also find vettel gave away big chunks of his lead then as well -
Yes but if we are talking about fantastic wet weather driving? I dont feel it makes a difference. If there had been no incidents and Button used the great pace he had to get to second from 7th on the grid and finsihed lapping a lot faster than Vettel it would still be evidence in his favour for his mixed conditions ability.
never said it was not a decent drive by button -- end of the day he needed a manufactured advantage six times to help him -- you can call it what you want but the safety car still came out 6 times and gave button big chunks of vettels lead every time it came out --
Button was 2 seconds a lap quicker on that final stint, this thread is talking about a drivers wet/mixed weather driving ability. If you're lapping 2 seconds quicker than your rival, and you have an inferior car, and you end up winning, it means you're pretty damn good in the wet. Thats what this argument is about, not whether he should have won or not, but if he's any good in the wet, and judging by the fact that JB wins most of the wet races now, you'd have to assume he's bloody excellent in the wet.
who said the mclaren was inferiour , the mclaren has generally had the advantage over red bull at canada because of the low downforce nature of the track , the bottom line is the safety car took big chunks of vettels lead and gave them to button six times which is an unfair manufactured advantage any way you look at it --
The McLaren was over a second a lap quicker. really. I also dont see the relavence of the saftey cars if we just look at Buttons laptimes compared to Vettel and Webber at the end. Anyway this is going in circles so im out.
the relevence of the safety car is 6 times it gave big chunks of vettels lead to button -- thats the relevence of it --
Safety car deployed 6 times? Wow! That must be a record. Why was that then? Was it raining or something? From a statistical point of view how many races per season are affected by rain? If it is more than 50% then rain mastering is crucial. Otherwise people like Sutil could be the rain master but no one would really care would they.
Excellent point. But when someone wants to argue just for the hell of it, it'll make no difference! I'm beginning to get the feeling some just come here for an argument without any interest in gaining a greater understanding at all, which seems a bit of a shame for any intelligent person. But I have to say one more thing: it does make me laugh!
Good, another new rule set. In future when the rest of us post an unsubstantiated claim it is good to know that when you ask us for proof, we don't have to provide it as we know it isn't out there!
There was once race in one of the lower series where he was so fast in the wet, and finished so quickly some people claimed he had retired. Pah, what do they know. N.B. Hamilton won the 2007 very wet Japanese GP despite two safety cars, which we have now discussed as very very important. Although he may have been driving the 2008 prototype self driving McLaren at this stage which was over a second a lap faster than all other cars Despite all this there still isn't a standout rain master as such, just a handful of drivers who are good in the wet (I mentioned most of them in an earlier post) If I had to say who is currently the best in the wet in F1 I think I'd still go for Hamilton, but Button and vettel are also very good, as is Alonso, just maybe slightly behind the other 2... just.
[video=youtube;1XGY7FEtFIQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XGY7FEtFIQ[/video] Another Japanese masterclass, in the form of Takuma Sato's fantastic wet driving ability.
Will we see a proper rain wet race again? I think Senna/Schumacher raced in conditions that would be red flagged today, so we rarely get to see a true wet race. Although I think Button gave the drive of the season to win Canada, he wasn't doing that great when it was wet, Hamilton was far faster, as were Kobay, Vettel & Schumacher, those 4 were head & shoulders above everyone else while it was wet. Button is the change master and has the knack of choosing the right tyre at the right time 90% of the time, he does it so often that the word 'luck' can no longer be used.
