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No Cabaye tonight [+Match-Day thread seeing as it's heading that way anyway....]

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by RiverEndRick, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. yarco canary

    yarco canary Well-Known Member

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    So font of all knowledge-what would you do?
     
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    We desperately need Howson back, the Tettey-Fer-Howson midfield is the only formation where we've looked good for long spells, and we've only seen it twice. I don't see why 4-5-1 should be any more negative, we've scored 5 in 10 anyway, it can't hurt to try it!

    Hopefully any new midfield signing will be able to challenge/cover Howson in that role, and we can begin to settle into that formation.
     
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  3. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    You're right, but I'd like to see Pilkington play off the striker in a 4-5-1. That means bringing on Redmond on the left, Snodgrass on the right and Pilks in the centre, ahead of Fer and Tettey. I think that could work very well, actually.


    The one thing I have noticed is that, even though Redmond has a lot of faults and is a long way from the finished article, he is the one player we have who relieves pressure on our defence because of his pace. He pushes the opposition back. In order to do that you either need: (a) a tall, strong target man, (b) sharp, swift passing or (c) pacey winger/striker to threaten in behind.

    As we lack (a) or (b) at the moment, we sort of need (c)
     
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  4. yarco canary

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    Our attacking tempo certainly increased when Redmond came on.

    You are right and despite his faults he does excite me.
     
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  5. JKCanary

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    We've seen the Tettey/Howson/Fer combo start 4 matches (all of them Prem games) this season:

    Stoke 0-1 City
    City 1-3 Chelsea
    Arsenal 4-1 City
    City 0-0 Cardiff
     
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  6. Walsh.i.am

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    ---^--- how very true ---^--- <ok>
     
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  7. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

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    why the stupid response? i was only having a laugh - hence the smiley

    as it happens, rob has stollen my thunder as i too would play redmond wide left, snodgrass wide right and pilkington in a free role behind hooper with tettey and fer sweeping up behind.

    jk highlights:

    "We've seen the Tettey/Howson/Fer combo start 4 matches (all of them Prem games) this season:

    Stoke 0-1 City
    City 1-3 Chelsea
    Arsenal 4-1 City
    City 0-0 Cardiff"

    arguably our four most cohesive and free-flowing performances all season, even if the results didn't always make it look that way
     
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    So you dont regard that as a diamond formation then?
     
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    Can anyone see the manager playing pilks behind a striker? I don't.
     
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  10. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    The only thing missing from the last three of those matches was a bit of luck and some fit strikers (I believe all of those were where we were missing a fit Hooper or RvW or both?)

    Norwich-Cardiff was a far, far, more one-sided 0-0 than yesterday's match, despite what the Geordie-loving (or is it just Norwich-ignorant?) newspapers will have you believe. Yesterday's match, in fact, bizzarely given how badly we played, was actually relatively even in terms of real out-and-out chances. Yes, we got a bit of luck, but when I see the list of matches above, we sure deserved it.
     
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  11. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

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    seriously yarco?

    do you really need me to explain what the 'diamond formation' is???

    no - you're just being petulant - god knows why but something has obviously upset you.

    anyway, i'm outta here <ok>
     
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  12. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

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    and no, i don't think he will play that way. i think he'll play elmander alongside hooper
     
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  13. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    No - I see a diamond as very narrow, with a defensive midfielder and two strikers. I envisaged just one striker, some width in what is best described as a 4-4-1-1 formation.


    Yes - I'm pretty sure Hughton used it last year.

    Also, I agree he wouldn't if he had the choice, but such is our lack of midfield options and the obvious shortcomings of 4-4-2, combined with it being an away match, I almost think he'll be obliged.
     
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    didn't he play 442 against both Everton and Palace away? my assumption is that will continue vs cardiff. pretty sure they play only 1 up front
     
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    You're probably right, but that would be handing the initiative to them, again.
     
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    No Johnson is all the excuse Hughton needs to go 4-4-2 again, which fails to get the most out of Fer and RvW, gets us over-run in midfield and impotent going forwards. I just hope we've signed a new midfielder who can go straight in! Otherwise, I'd say 4-2-3-1 with Snodgrass behind Hooper, Pilks left and Redmond right. Snodgrass is the best at getting back out of our wingers, so might give Fer or Tettey the confidence to go forwards a little bit. Whether Snodgrass can be disciplined enough to hold back when they do is another question.

    I can see the point in putting Pilks behind Hooper, but he supports a striker well enough from wide positions to me, whilst Snodgrass is more creative and having him in the middle would at least vary our attacking threat a little, rather than the ball always going wide to him at the first opportunity. Redmond on the right hopefully forces him to create more than shoot wildly, but I'd hope the wingers would be able to interchange a bit too. It's a very demanding formation for Snodgrass though. He's got to drop back to cover marauding DM's, and be prepared to offer width either side should Pilks or Redmond cut in.
     
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    So far, nobody seems to think Jonas will be back after he was not allowed last night!!!!
     
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  18. DHCanary

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    Not seen enough of him in a City shirt to say whether he'd be any better than any of our other wingers. On their day Redmond, Pilks and Snodgrass can be excellent, not sure Gutierrez has that left in him. As an option from the bench he's nice though, and it means we could start 3 wingers without worrying about replacing one through injury/tiredness.
     
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    Have to agree with that, I was just wondering if he had been forgotten! <ok>
     
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  20. JKCanary

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    For the Cardiff game:

    Ruddy
    Whittaker - R.Bennett - Bassong - Olsson
    Tettey - Fer
    Snodgrass - Pilks - Gutierrez
    Hooper
     
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