Nigel's Done One

[City Man]

"So as a teen watching a 30 min comedy ITV prog on a b/w set what are my ****ing options ?"

A) Look at homosexuality like some sort of Carry On Film and pretend it'll all end up alright, bury your head in the sand and go about life as normal, wilfully ignorant of what's going on.
B) Realising that gay people were getting a rough deal and that efforts should be made to curtail that abuse. Then make an effort, regardless of who or where you are because it's the right thing to do.
C) Join in with the 'jokes' and other **** because if you didn't, people would consider you 'queer' and you'd lose your social standing.

Those were the options. Which one did you choose?

My concerns about the gay community in the 70s in Hull were avoiding them

Public toilets were seedy/sleazy dangerous places for a teen back then. I recall various West Hull ones getting shut down by the police due to 'activities' therein. Anlaby Rd near the flats, top of Walton Street, Calvert Lane etc...all closed .

The bogs in Hammonds / Paragon station etc were also to be avoided for the same reason.

The mass killer Bruce Lee's trial revealed this twilight world of young boys being paid by homosexual men for 'favours'.

Sorry if this is too specific, but that was how I remember 'real world' homosexuality back then.

They were at best a pest, at worst a sinister and seedy blight on the city's bogs.


I lived through these times, you didn't. I was there. you weren't. Your well-intentioned virtue signalling comes across as absurdly naive and ill-informed as to how 'real life' was back then. .

 

[City Man]

Protest? Rally? Stand up for these people? Make an effort to treat them like human beings? Some small gesture that showed you weren't in favour of it? This seemingly 'I was helpless' tactic isn't doing you any favours.

See my answer above.

 

[Edelman]

My concerns about the gay community in the 70s in Hull were avoiding them

Public toilets were seedy/sleazy dangerous places for a teen back then. I recall various West Hull ones getting shut down by the police due to 'activities' therein. Anlaby Rd near the flats, top of Walton Street, Calvert Lane etc...all closed .

The bogs in Hammonds / Paragon station etc were also to be avoided for the same reason.

The mass killer Bruce Lee's trial revealed this twilight world of young boys being paid by homosexual men for 'favours'.

Sorry if this is too specific, but that was how I remember 'real world' homosexuality back then.

They were at best a pest, at worst a sinister and seedy blight on the city's bogs.


I lived through these times, you didn't. I was there. you weren't. Your well-intentioned virtue signalling comes across as absurdly naive and ill-informed as to how 'real life' was back then. .

Is this how you saw it then but not now ??

 

[Steven Toast]

My concerns about the gay community in the 70s in Hull were avoiding them

Public toilets were seedy/sleazy dangerous places for a teen back then. I recall various West Hull ones getting shut down by the police due to 'activities' therein. Anlaby Rd near the flats, top of Walton Street, Calvert Lane etc...all closed .

The bogs in Hammonds / Paragon station etc were also to be avoided for the same reason.

The mass killer Bruce Lee's trial revealed this twilight world of young boys being paid by homosexual men for 'favours'.

Sorry if this is too specific, but that was how I remember 'real world' homosexuality back then.

They were at best a pest, at worst a sinister and seedy blight on the city's bogs.


I lived through these times, you didn't. I was there. you weren't. Your well-intentioned virtue signalling comes across as absurdly naive and ill-informed as to how 'real life' was back then. .

Well, I wasn't in the Soviet Union during the Lenin years, it doesn't mean I don't know what it was like or what societal pressure was like for them. I wasn't there, but my parents, uncles, aunties et all were. Some of them took a stand, at school, at university.

And people have the gall to say that today's youth are entitled softies. They got pissed off about the environment and brought London to a near standstill in a day, some literally walking out of school to protest. You avoided the issues of your time out of convenience. If there was any doubt as to which generation is more switched on, you've just rubber stamped today's crop with your description of homosexuality as a blight on public toilets.

It isn't virtue-signalling, by the way. It's being humane towards another human being. Another thing today's kids are better at.

 

[Edelman]

Well, I wasn't in the Soviet Union during the Lenin years, it doesn't mean I don't know what it was like or what societal pressure was like for them. I wasn't there, but my parents, uncles, aunties et all were. Some of them took a stand, at school, at university.

And people have the gall to say that today's youth are entitled softies. They got pissed off about the environment and brought London to a near standstill in a day, some literally walking out of school to protest. You avoided the issues of your time out of convenience. If there was any doubt as to which generation is more switched on, you've just rubber stamped today's crop with your description of homosexuality as a blight on public toilets.

It isn't virtue-signalling, by the way. It's being humane towards another human being. Another thing today's kids are better at.

Which brings us around to Intolerance ??

 

[City Man]

Well, I wasn't in the Soviet Union during the Lenin years, it doesn't mean I don't know what it was like or what societal pressure was like for them. I wasn't there, but my parents, uncles, aunties et all were. Some of them took a stand, at school, at university.

And people have the gall to say that today's youth are entitled softies. They got pissed off about the environment and brought London to a near standstill in a day, some literally walking out of school to protest. You avoided the issues of your time out of convenience. If there was any doubt as to which generation is more switched on, you've just rubber stamped today's crop with your description of homosexuality as a blight on public toilets.

It isn't virtue-signalling, by the way. It's being humane towards another human being. Another thing today's kids are better at.

We keep coming back to this.

Who said they were issues? You?

How do you know what the issues of mid 70s Hull were?

Who outlined them all for you?

What about the collapse of the economy of West Hull in the mid 70s?

Was that a greater issue?

 

[Steven Toast]

We keep coming back to this.

Who said they were issues? You?

How do you know what the issues of mid 70s Hull were?

Who outlined them all for you?

What about the collapse of the economy of West Hull in the mid 70s?

Was that a greater issue?

Who said they were issues? The people who suffered through it first hand.

Who outlined them for me? See above

Collapse of the economy of West Hull? An issue for the people of the area. Homophobia was nationwide at the time, so if it's an issue in London, it's an issue in Hull.

Was that a greater issue? That would depend entirely on how you prioritise your issues. If you're asking me if the economy is more important than the lives of human beings, I'd say no, no it isn't.

I consider a lot of the world's issues bigger than my own. Even through the eyes of a kid at the time, it was obviously wrong. If somebody was getting kicked in at school, why the hell wouldn't somebody step in or get help?

I don't need to imagine it, I know plenty of people that lived through it, gay or not. Funnily enough, none of them hung around the public toilets in town AFAIK. They're just regular people.

 

[City Man]

Who said they were issues? The people who suffered through it first hand.

Who outlined them for me? See above

Collapse of the economy of West Hull? An issue for the people of the area. Homophobia was nationwide at the time, so if it's an issue in London, it's an issue in Hull.

Was that a greater issue? That would depend entirely on how you prioritise your issues. If you're asking me if the economy is more important than the lives of human beings, I'd say no, no it isn't.

I consider a lot of the world's issues bigger than my own. Even through the eyes of a kid at the time, it was obviously wrong. If somebody was getting kicked in at school, why the hell wouldn't somebody step in or get help?

I don't need to imagine it, I know plenty of people that lived through it, gay or not. Funnily enough, none of them hung around the public toilets in town AFAIK. They're just regular people.

You are the one pointing the accusing finger at specific people in a specific time.

Hull in the 60s/ 70s.

If this doesn't square up with how you have would have liked it to have been or how other people saw it, tough.

Maybe one day one of your pupils will call you all the ****s because you selfishly continued to buy food in plastic containers and drove a car using fossil fuels- how could you have been so selfish and not made a stand to save the planet etc?

Each to his/her own.

 

[Steven Toast]

You are the one pointing the accusing finger at specific people in a specific time.

Hull in the 60s/ 70s.

If this doesn't square up with how you have would have liked it to have been or how other people saw it, tough.

Maybe one day one of your pupils will call you all the ****s because you selfishly continued to buy food in plastic containers and drove a car using fossil fuels- how could you have been so selfish and not made a stand to save the planet etc?

Each to his/her own.

They probably will and so they should, though it's my generation that are championing the electric car and conversion to renewable energy. Bit different to letting gay bashing slide out of fear of being labelled as such.

I'm pointing the finger at the people who could have done something and didn't. Blissful ignorance isn't an excuse.

 

[StCloudTiger]

They probably will and so they should, though it's my generation that are championing the electric car and conversion to renewable energy. Bit different to letting gay bashing slide out of fear of being labelled as such.

I'm pointing the finger at the people who could have done something and didn't. Blissful ignorance isn't an excuse.

I think you will find it is the older generation that are buying the electric cars

 

[Tony Angelino]

Sorry to derail the thread
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-hull-manager-tigers-chiefs-16493167

Edit: just seen it on the other management thread, not sure why we need two

 

[Idi Amin]

This has turned into the gayest thread ever!

 

[tigerscanada]

Sorry to derail the thread
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-hull-manager-tigers-chiefs-16493167

Somebody should warn the lad this gig is poisoned.

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

Sorry to derail the thread
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-hull-manager-tigers-chiefs-16493167

Here's the thing; if it's a two horse race - any two horse race - then we've lost already.

 

[Ditton Minor]

I'll try to simplify matters even though this Toast character thinks I'm stupid for having an opinion he doesn't agree with.
I didn't agree with a lot that Chris Needler, Bob Chapman, Ian Blakey, Martin Fish, David Lloyd, The Sheffield Mafia, Paul Duffen and even the Allams have done.
There may be others I've forgotten and I hope people are not offended about being left out, but I didn't think taking my bat home would improve matters. You turn up and support the team through thick and think. If not enough people did exactly that we would have ended up like Scarbourgh FC, and nearly did under Fish and Co.
Many didn't, they chucked their scarves in a corner and deserted the club in their hour(s) of need, many latched onto other clubs and even other sports, and the facts clearly show that fans disowned this club by huge numbers for a long, long time. We spent a generation and more at the bottom of the pile.
I know quite a few like myself who still attend, the same faces, although a lot younger, who stood on the Kempton with the other 3,000. It's their opinion I listen too. That may offend the easily offended because sometimes the truth does hurt.
Boycotting for what ever reason just makes us look like a small time outfit with a fickle fan base and perhaps we are, as I said sometimes the truth hurts.
That is my opinion.
Perhaps I should have started a new thread with a warning that some people might be easily offended and the post may contain material people don't agree with ?

Don’t agree with you, but I’m not offended.

 

[cheshireles]

Don’t agree with you, but I’m not offended.

The Allams have identified their preferred target which is PR speak, the likelihood they'll accept any role at City given the shambles of a club we are again on the footballing front is close to zero if they've got anything about them!

 

[Kempton]

I don't think I could respect any manager who chose to take this job, unless he had strong ties to Hull City.

Ian Ashbee would be perfect, but I wouldn't wish it on him.

Nick, would be brilliant, but that's just not going to happen.

I'd do it but I'd need to get my badges first.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

I don't think I could respect any manager who chose to take this job, unless he had strong ties to Hull City.

Ian Ashbee would be perfect, but I wouldn't wish it on him.

Nick, would be brilliant, but that's just not going to happen.

I'd do it but I'd need to get my badges first.

Rossy would be my choice, but he is too smart to even consider getting into bed with the Allam's I suspect.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Who said they were issues? The people who suffered through it first hand.

Who outlined them for me? See above

Collapse of the economy of West Hull? An issue for the people of the area. Homophobia was nationwide at the time, so if it's an issue in London, it's an issue in Hull.

Was that a greater issue? That would depend entirely on how you prioritise your issues. If you're asking me if the economy is more important than the lives of human beings, I'd say no, no it isn't.

I consider a lot of the world's issues bigger than my own. Even through the eyes of a kid at the time, it was obviously wrong. If somebody was getting kicked in at school, why the hell wouldn't somebody step in or get help?

I don't need to imagine it, I know plenty of people that lived through it, gay or not. Funnily enough, none of them hung around the public toilets in town AFAIK. They're just regular people.

As a teenager in the late 60's I was too pre occupied watching my own back. Homophobia hadn't been discovered yet, it was known as survival. It was a part of growing up. I bet more young people got a kicking for living on the wrong estate/street/town then ever did for being 'openly gay' as you put it.

 

[gtigerbackin hull]

Fair cop balkan.
Been here almost 50 years. Had a season pass in the West stand @ KC until the season before last. Cost me close to 800 quid each game I saw live at the circle. Finally tossed it in after the concessions fiasco. First game I watched in the old North Stand @ BP was with my granddad in '52.
I'm close to the top of the pecking-order if you ask me. It cost my old man a fortune to mail the old green Sports Mail to Canada for over 40 years.

Allams OUT.

Edit: Probably closer to 30 years of sports mail when I think of it. They stopped printing it a while back.

My Granddad together with his brother and my uncle, also took me from 1950 onwards into the North Stand at B P. We stood right up at the top left hand side looking at the pitch. They would sit me on the barrier. Probably wouldn't recognise each other now.