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Nigel Pearson: Did he see it coming first?

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by tigercity, May 29, 2012.

  1. The Omega Man

    The Omega Man Well-Known Member

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    You really need to see that football is a business. Not a charity!
     
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  2. juleskaren

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    Nothing wrong with cost cutting in certain areas, if there were too many company cars then get rid, I agree with that but charging scouts to come into the ground and penny pinching stuff to do with the players is only good if every other football club in the league is doing it. If the Allam's make life difficult for the players or Managers then they can easily go to a club that is run differently. I know certain areas of football do need changing but that change will happen gradually and not like with us where the axe has come down on everything.
     
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    Jimmy Bullard!!!
     
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  4. PLT

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    Were they insolvent due to flying to away games, treating serious injuries properly and maintaining herlathy relationships with stakeholders like every other team, or were they insolvent due to paying players too much?
     
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  5. PeterGriffin

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    There was a report last year, I think by Delloitte that stated most English football clubs were insolvent and the problems were getting worse. This is due to lavish spending in all areas so the Allams have addressed overspending in all areas and rightly so. What do you want them to do? Allow the club to run up another £50 million of debt? we might not be so lucky in finding someone to save the club if it happens again. I am delighted that they are looking for the club to be self sufficient, any business no matter what industry it is in needs to at least break even year on year to continue to trade. Why do the players need to fly to games? Why shouldn't a scout pay to get into the game?
     
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  6. captaintigerrobin

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    I agree with those saying that flying the players to away games is ridiculous and a 5 hour coach journey should be perfectly fine, considering National Express quote around 9 hours to get to the south coast there is nothing wrong with a few hours in a fully equipped luxury coach.
     
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  7. Stuart Blampey

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    We pay McShane 25k for one week of his services.

    That's a life time of free shirts and signed balls and then some

    It's an illusion that you're running a tight ship when you eliminate the visual trivial cheapo stuff but fail to sort out the massive costs like player wages.

    It just creates antagonism and makes you look silly.
     
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  8. prem club tiger

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    Yes charge a scout to come to our stadium with 6,000 empty seats, then other clubs start charging our club for our scouts at their stadium when previously we received complimentary tickets, genius
     
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  9. PeterGriffin

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    You deal with what you can when you can, McShane is under contract, once it expires it will not be renewed.
     
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  10. PeterGriffin

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    I'll trust the judgement of the Allams over that of message board insiders if its all the same.
     
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  11. prem club tiger

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    I make my own judgement's on what I think is right Peter, just having blind faith is not my thing
     
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  12. premiertiger

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    Really? So getting home at 5am on a Wed or Thurs morning after an away trip with an important match on a Saturday is the best way to keep the players in peak physical condition? Not only does it hinder the players rest and the managements training schedules, it also pisses the players off. Meaning they have to travel the day before rather than on the day, meaning less time with family and loved ones.

    Do you really think this is what all the other top clubs in our division are doing? Some of the suggested timings on here have been crazy, for an away flight the players would turn up and be in the air within about 20mins after arriving Humberside. They are only internal flights so a quick trip through a special security area and off they go, for a 50 odd minute flight, instead of a 5/6 hour journey on a coach, same on the return meaning probably a total of 4 hours travelling instead of 10/12 - it makes a massive difference.
     
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  13. Docko

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    So rewind the clock and there is Nigel managing a club that has just just come out of crippling, liquidating debt. New owners that have cleared the threat of non-existence and will want to be prudentin the short to medium term.

    This will not help his immediate ambitions because like Phil Brown his personal standing and ego are first priority over the long term future of the club.

    He is offered a way out to his old club with new owners who are spending big.

    If that is something close to what this post is referring to and you agree with Nigel then you are a glory hunter and don't care that the club may go bust.
     
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  14. Happy Tiger

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    Regarding the people thinking players paying for stuff to sign and give away/donate to charity...Aaron McLean for one pays for the stuff himself and is quite happy to do so, and realises he needs to keep a leash on, that is not everyone that asks gets stuff.

    Sounds about right to me, I don't support every bucket waving chugger I pass, I support the charity's *I* choose to, and I think if that player is being associated with being a benefactor or a charity of event, its perfectly sensible to expect him to be putting his hand in his well filled pockets.
     
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  15. TygerTyger

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    Strangely many other teams (and in many other sports) feel that travelling together on a coach helps with team binding. Bit divisive if your star striker turns up in his lear jet and the right back on the number 43 from Anlaby Common. Don't you think?
     
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  16. Robo

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    So lets put this into perspective shall we?
    Hull to Humberside 45-60 minutes depending on time of day and traffic+ 50 minutes on an aircraft ( if running to schedule ) + 45-60 minutes to destination depending on time and traffic, let's say 3 hours tops if everything runs to schedule.
    5-6 hours on a luxury coach with no stress and a fraction of the cost to the club ( players have posted on twitter how much fun they have on coaches) so it can't be that bad can it? Oh and they get well paid for it also.
    If you weren't so anti Allam's you might see further than your hatred of them, we are not a frigging charity and the club needs to be run properly, just be glad that we still have a club to go to.
    I know the anti Allam brigade will come out in force with their we know best but guess what I don't care one iota as I am just glad we have a club to support and until proven otherwise I am not going to slag them off for running the club on a sound financial basis.
     
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  17. Hull City Wok Tiger

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    I think nearly all fans are not Anti-Allam but Allam sceptical, we need to get this straight on here I reckon. Also what is the point of going over arguments like this again, nobody is going to change their viewpoint till things develop. Time for less head-banging I reckon and to support the manager they are bringing in, it's OK to be Allam sceptical though no point blindly following what they are doing.
     
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  18. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    Besides, if clubs didn't travel on coaches, where would The Football League Show get its footage (of teams alighting at grounds) from?
     
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  19. Robo

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  20. premiertiger

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    Luxury coach has got to be one of the biggest oxymorons ever. It's just a standard coach with a few nicer bits like tvs etc, there really isn't anything luxury about it.
     
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