Correct no 2 You've only got to go and watch kids football on a Sunday to see the prob Parents and coaches screaming at kids to get rid Embarrassing keep parents away
Id agree we need a new manager but then ive never rated Woy What would make a big difference if some of our players play abroad and witnessed foreign coaching and mentality
It's a bit of a myth though really is that isn't it. Those player on the pitch last night were all from top 10 premier league teams, they are all very good players and can do better than they did. It's not like the players aren't good enough, they are, they just had a bit of a mare. Better grassroots training will not make them perform better on the night. Better grassroots level may well help us get more English players through and allow us a massive pool to pick from like Spain have, but regardless we have a big enough pool to pick a squad of 23 very capable players. What I think we lack in particular over every other country is the fact that all of our players train and spend their careers in England. English clubs have foreigners from all over the world in their youth systems, they have players from all over the world in their first teams, but there are less than a handful of English players training or playing at a competitive level overseas, and of that handful none of them are good enough to be considered for the England squad. All our top players are trained and spend their careers playing in a similar way against similar styles of football, we don't have players overseas experiencing playing in different climates against completely different styles of football week in week out, coming up against these teams can often be quite alien to our players where as other countries will have half a squad who have experience of, and are comfortable playing against all different styles of play. Maybe put across badly there.
That just looks like typical England fan apocalyptic over-reaction to being knocked out. We're English ffs it's supposed to be the foreigners who can't cope with losing. As I pointed out earlier. We completely outpassed Uruguay - that's based on the stats. Obviously it didn't help us but your claim that we can't pass accurately is just bollocks as were far better at passing than them in the game (FACT). Why can't we ever just lose because we made a couple of bad mistakes instead of all this exaggerated nonsense about us being total ****, the manager's a **** and the players don't care, etc. etc. As I also pointed out earlier, Spain have failed at this tournament much more dramatically than us, they didn't play well in either game and were arguably favourites going into the tournament. But they won't be going on about a radical overhaul of Spanish football, they've just had a bad tournament. Realistically, this is our first bad tournament exit in a long time. I know everyone thinks the quarter-finals is a failure but it really isn't that bad. People just need to be realistic, like we are with City, and accept that sometimes you can play well and lose. We've clearly got weaknesses to work on, and they'll do that. The progress from our performances at Euro 2012 where we were on the back foot defending all the time, to our performances now is encouraging, keep that going over the next two years and we'll be competing in the knockout stages again at the next Euros. Yes we lost last night and yes we have some problems, but don't exaggerate it. This also reminded me of City, we seemed to be able to get it out wide and cross better than anything else, but it didn't suit the strikers at all.
I agree and been saying it for ages that we must encourage our players to go abroad and this would also mean that having so many foreigners in our domestic league wouldnt matter if we had just as many English players playing abroad.
Maybe thats the problem, weve stayed still since 1966 and most other countries have progressed In 1966 how many foreigners played in the top English league?
You do realise only 3 Spanish players played outside of Spain in 2010? And that in 2006 none of the Italy team played outside of their country? The idea that players need to play abroad is bullshit.
Exactly. If you don't have the ability to pass to a team mate playing in this country, what makes you think they'll be able to pass to a team mate playing in a different country?
I dont think its a necessity for players to play outside their home country but it helps. It also helps if there are more Englishmen playing top flight football and with so many foreigners in the Prem then it would help if they play abroad and you say only 3 Spanish played outside Spain, is that team or squad if its team then thats still over a quarter and how many of them have ever played outside Spain but moved back
How does it help? Clearly it doesn't affect those countries. How? Surely playing in England with other English and foreigners is better than playing abroad with only foreigners? That was the squad - none of them were starters in 2010. So the team was all Spanish,.
To be honest I am still sat here wondering how the **** we have managed to lose both those games, I genuinely think we deserved 4 points from those two games, there are young players there who will get better and hopefully Phil Jones will improve as a centre half and another young centre half can come through, then you have Flanagan, Stones and Shaw coming through. Which will hopefully make a nice back 4 as it's clear that's where we're struggling at the moment. I'm happy with the way we've performed, the people who make out the players don't care and don't try talk ****e, I think they gave everything and can be proud of themselves. Gonna be eating pasta and pizza for the next few days....Come on Italy!
And what difference would better grassroots facilities have on them being able to pass to each other on the night? They can all obviously pass the ball very capably, not only would they not be in the positions they're in at the clubs they're at but we've seen them all do it before. No amount of grassroots facilities would have had any impact on last nights game. We lost because the players, and Gerard in particular, had a **** game. Gerard made two costly mistakes in midfield and the defence failed to clean up after them each time. It had little to do with the manager, as many people are whinging about, and nothing to do with the England set up, grassroots football or the dog next door. Players often have a bad game, specially when the pressure is on and cranked up, just look how arsenal played in the FA cup final. Yes their quality shone through in the end, but at World Cup level the gulf in quality that showed in the FA cup final just isn't there. With regards playing abroad, the experience of being part of and playing against different styles would help give the players some idea of what they're up against and help anticipate how opposition players will react etc. maybe make them a little more inventive against different ways of defending...
