Which is why spunking 20m on a Carrillo type player was poor from all involved. It’s not his fault , we need to find a way of scoring goals with the personnel we now have. I'm sure Fred West and Hanibal Lecter were liked by some, i wouldn't go round for a cuppa though ! Likeable or not, MP is inept, and the board are to blame for not acting on this. The constant chopping and changing of personnel and poor tactics has been our downfall. Like i said earlier, we are where we are. I'd like a bit of bravery from MP now, drop the dead wood and play the guys who give a **** (Sims,JWP, Boufal)
I just really wonder what they work on in training. We make the same mistakes over and over and show no sign of trying something radically different. Either MP is completely and utterly useless, the players aren't listening to a word he says or he is taking directions from above. I really wanted him to turn it around, he seems so decent as a person but he's just awful as a manager. The club haven't helped him and need their fair share of blame too for failing in the transfer windows, but MP seems so stubborn to change a failed way of playing. Unfortunately, MP will take a lot of the flack because he's there on the touchline and Reed and Kruger aren't. I can see it getting quite nasty at Wigan because I have a bad feeling we will lose.
Haven't most of us been saying the same thing for weeks now though?! It's like MP. Doing (saying in our case) the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I've accepted we're awful and are unlikely to stay up - wasn't a shed of surprise to me when hearing the goals going in on Saturday which kind of says it all.
Just looked at fixtures that may affect our current league position in the hiatus until the West Ham game. Stoke are playing City (tonight) and Everton; Huddersfield play Crystal Palace. West Brom are playing Bournemouth, but can't overtake us with a win. A draw may suit us in the Huddersfield game....but personally I'm forgetting those above us (even by the odd point or two), I'd rather those below keep losing....so a Hudds win will do. Stoke are unlikely to get anything from City (you'd think), but may get something from Everton. Psychologically I need Saints to remain out of the relegation zone so our fate is still in our own useless, slippery hands.
Palace will stay up I think. So I won't be sorry to see them get at least a point at Hudders. That tie may be immaterial if we can beat West Ham on the 31st. That, to me, is the first absolute "must win" of the season. We'll never have a better chance to pull one of the teams above is down into the mire.
Top right corner - FLT junior and FLT (sat next to my friends Sue & Jeff - he’s wearing the white jacket) looking suitably thrilled at the way the game is going. (Photo courtesy of the Echo)
I agree. Although I'm also getting sick and tired of going into a 'must win' game and not getting a win. Palace, Brighton, Stoke and Newcastle... god that reads badly.
Unfortunately, the fact it's a 'must win' doesn't make it any more likely that we will win. We're 17th because we're **** Edit; West Ham, however, are also ****. And their fans are in outright revolt (which won't help the team).
Not sure comparing Pellegrino to fred west is entirely fair haha! I agree he needs to go but i dont get the hatred fans have for him. Done a crap job but he wants so succeed as much as us!
No of course it doesn't mean a more likely win, but the fact we've not won any of our must wins (apart from maybe West Brom away) gives me little hope that we win our next must win vs West Ham! I'm also worried that the break is good for them and worse for us, they have time for things to settle and go again. We needed to play them this weekend!
To be fair, given that we've just been smacked 3-0 to Newcastle and there's no sign yet of making a managerial change, I'm sure many West Ham are saying exactly the same about playing us.
Now I know I am living in a crazy world when a mans career is decided by 3 electronic doodles. I will wait until some facts surface in old fashioned words. It is the bored leading the blinkered. What have Saints sunk to. Not blue writing in any way.
Everyone seems to be saying how nice MP2 is, but maybe that’s the problem. Right now I’d prefer someone who nobody likes, but who has a clue how to organise the team into winning games. Pretty much everyone hates Neil (Colin) Warnock, but he is just a few weeks from securing his tenth promotion. Even the Stoke fans hated Pulis (I have a friend from Stoke who will never mention “the P word”) yet since he left they too have been moving backwards, despite having played slightly more attractive football under Hughes. Not saying I would want either of the examples I have used, but sometimes “being nice” isn’t the right character needed to run a football team successfully.
Since i missed the match anyway and didnt want to ruin my weekend I've been avoiding this thread but it's Monday now so I guess I should bite the bullet and start reading through it. This didn't happen to be one of those hard fought, valient and ultimately unlucky 3 - 0 defeats to a relegation rival did it? No? Thought not .
Here’s my take on the situation. I agree MP is not performing well as a manager. That is totally obvious BUT he is taking the flak for too many people which is very convenient for them. The players, the board, ALL of them are using him as a shield from their own ineptitude and commitment. The situation is still there for us to avoid relegation on our own and with. no help from the teams around us.....just! But unless there is a miracle change in attitude, leadership and plain interest by the aforementioned people, this club will be in the Championship next season and we’ll be in the same dire straits as before Marcus came along, as Mr Gao will flog the club at the first opportunity and who knows whether that will lead to League 1 etc. It’s a gloomy outlook, but I have lost patience with statements of intent by players, zeros interest from the Board and to be fair the attitude of many supporters who insult on a daily basis the guy who, whilst managing over our worst run for years, deserves more respect from his employers and employees. The Press even agree they are pathetic and to my great regret agree with them. Whatever our problem is with the team/club, personal insults only add to the paucity of our present situation. Both the Board and especially the players have it in their hands to turn this around, but letting all the blame being heaped on MP if the worst happens will just highlight the weakness and complacent greed amongst the people really responsible for this mess!
I’m wondering why we haven’t heard from @Dell1964 since before the Newcastle match, seeing as the board are coming under such scathing criticism.
