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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Personally I don't hate Jnr as a person, I'm not aware of anyone that does but why we have a large percentage of our fans on here, fully grown adults bleating on about him like young girls chasing Justin Bieber I don't understand, it's beyond my comprehension.

    He is paid to do a job, he both asked and stated he would take 3 windows to do a job, he promised the dream of possibilty (I use that word gently)of Premier and European football in that period - Stupid.

    I admit our season so far has been good, not spectacular but good and an exciting cup game against Man Utd looming, considering last season the man put us in serious jeopardy of relegation and just survived, we should be doing better, any worse would mean relegation. With all of the points already offered, extra window, more money, more players,better equipment and facilities bla,bla,bla, which people don't seem to like being reminded of we ought to be demanding promotion, not preening ourselves and saying we would be ,' Happy with a mid table position'.

    I am glad the light is being turned back on to shine on him and check out his and our progress, I have raised the bar by talking about past heroes and Jnr who has so far achieved nothing at any level and does not deserve anyway near comparison with them and of course his dad would be proud if he did.

    Let us just remember that as of this date he is just Lee Johnson a very well paid employee of Bristol City FC, that is whom we really support and hope he keeps his promise and not just middle of the table mediocrity, which a lot on here it seems, would be satisfied with.

    Now who is Justin Bieber?
     
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  2. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    In a debate verbal written or .... The need to shout {don't mean by odd un inTended misuse of Caps] means lost or no opinion to offer... doing a politician is the same ... sticks and stones ! etc

    QUOTE oneforbristol city posted "At last, SL has played his trump card and stuck by a manager that he could see that would do well..
    The haters are willing him on to fail......I'm willing him to do well for my club, to me that's all that matters.."
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    This is the whole crux of last season and this .. FINALLY [SHOUTING] ... the club refrained from knee jerks and stuck to the plan, great pains were made by various staff to try and diffuse " the red mists that were building up" but some impatient t*** of fairly low IQ chose to scrawl banners and issue threats ...SAD.

    I cannot find any reference to us "possibly" being in the Prem or in Europe before June 2018! Ref made we need to build, when foundations laid, and we are doing well at the mo, and in the next few seasons have a crack at it?

    Well I am not a young girl chasing anybody, ( don't think a few of the pro current system/management structure plan are either, ) I look at situations and make a decision, I do not blow hot and cold. In 57 of my years of life I have had to stick to "principles" be they everyday or heat of the moment .. I can honestly say that sticking to the correct "plan" [ logical sequence of events] has saved my life or serious injury a number, in excess of digits on a hand, times. But then I choose even at my age to pursue dangerous activities.
    THE wider picture is always the outcome, the odd "blip" the various keyholes, is to get there, patience is a key foundation stone , he who hesitates is lost. A lack of patience often brings stress depression and a bad result .................

    One has to ask the question ... did the man or the circumstance put us in serious jeopardy, we were not exactly losing 3-0 4-0 or even 2-0, the team wasn't exactly doing it to spite the manager, and we all knew we needed a couple extra players [third window] before we lost 8, 8 defeats (by a goal ) is a bad run, everyone on here will state the same. It is how we deal with what we see that is the crux...
    Demanding promotion, well again the patient and the impatients is the chalk line, we are all aware that SL made a decision to stick with his decisions and "calm down and not panic" [ they the ones that count] have stuck to the plans and is seriously building a foundation .......

    can you build a house on soft sand .. a few on here may try!
    ps am assuming the points offered, is the number lost via dr
    aws which, while [and you see it all the time on here] a point is better than nothing. I am glad of the points no matter where they come from ... if we have a combined total of losses and draws to wins I will be happy this season.. because we could well be in the play off's .... time to start shouting about that is February when we know more and are safe.
     
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  3. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    The words used was 3 windows to do a job or the way he would like, European football in 5 years,interpret it the way you wish, I used possibility or period.

    Bristol City head coach Lee Johnson says it will "probably take three transfer windows" to shape his squad the way he would like...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36214945
    Bristol City head coach Lee Johnson says he wants the club to play Europa League football within five years.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36962717
     
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  4. AshtonRed

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    The facilities we have & the money spent in this day & age still leave us behind many in this division , had we done this 10 years ago I agree , but now it's the bare minimum to even allow us to be mid table with aspirations of achieving the unthinkable promotion to the promised land . Time has moved on I'm afraid.
     
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  5. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    AD in my opinion is the best manager we've had in the modern era, when he started it was a bit before my time , he was a bright young manager who bought in good young players which developed and grew together , it wasn't done over night and many were calling for his head HD stuck by him and the team grew and eventually managed to get promotion - see and parallels?
    Now I'm not saying Lee will be as successful, but we've tried other ways that have failed, so maybe, just maybe , returning to the only method in recent history that has bought success may not be a bad idea.
    Usually wIz u have a very balanced view, I'm beginning to think on this issue it may be you who are uncharacteristicly biased against Lee, I appreciate you don't like him , but give him a chance.
    Believe me no one was more underwhelmed by his appointment & was with you last year on calling for his head , but am big enough to admit SL's decision to stick by him has proven to be the correct one.
     
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    He is paid to do a job, he both asked and stated he would take 3 windows to do a job, he promised the dream of possibilty (I use that word gently)of Premier and European football in that period - Stupid.
    The words used was 3 windows to do a job or the way he would like, European football in 5 years,interpret it the way you wish, I used possibility or period.

    stated he would take 3 windows to do a job ........ he promised the dream of possibilty (I use that word gently)of Premier and European football "in that period"

    well my interpretation is exactly what has been said and promised over a year ago, I have no confusions over building a base, a strong foundation, and inside 5 years from the start of this season being able to throw down a challenge to get into the prem Europe football for a small club can only be a dream, and any manager not having that, success or fail as part of their agenda is not worth their salt, Should he remain our manager and have near misses for the next 10 years then he will have done his bit.
    you only have to go back over the past ten years to see the likelihood of of average or above average Prem teams not making Europe .. and it will get harder soon there will be 8 teams a league above the rest in the prem and EUROPE WILL ONLY BE A FLEETING CHANCE

    PS just seen ashtons comment .. I was gobsmacked by his appointment, but in life everyone deserves a chance to learn and make mistakes....
     
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  7. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Any manager other than LJ, doing the job he's doing now, you wouldn't be coming out with the stuff you're coming out with..
    For me, it's not a love for LJ whatsoever, it's the commitment & dedication he's put into our club I respect, despite all the flack some of the fans has given him, as a player and now as a manager...You are entitled to your opinion and so am I..
    He will come unstuck eventually and so your time to gloat with "I told you so, and worst manager ever" will come!! To me, his achievement has been to keep us in the championship and given us a good run now.....many previous have failed..
     
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  8. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    I won't gloat over a man losing his job, never have, never will, I can assure you if he get's any success for Bristol City FC I will celebrate with you, if he fails I won't be sorry to see him go, I don't think he will be a great loss to us but that is just my opinion, it's Bristol City FC the club, our club that I care about.

    As regards the effort and dedication he gives our club, christ he is well paid for that, to him it's a job, he does it for money not charity, ask Oldham and Barnsley supporters the loyalty, commitment and dedication he gave to their club, he does it for the money and I don't blame him.

    To me he was a very average player and he is a very average manager, that is just my opinion of course, as a family man and beyond football I wish him well.
     
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    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    I was well paid, best month was a take home of £9895, didn't really like the job but it paid the bills ... finished that when Soddam invaded Kuwait.. next job up to 2000 I really enjoyed, quite well paid and I did the job with a lot of additional enthusiasm and put a lot if not more than was expected into it .... I think its called job satisfaction, of course should I have not been paid I wouldn't have done the job, had it been £500 a month less might have moved on ....
     
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  10. oneforthebristolcity

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    Best start to a season at this level in 42 years......that's not average mate!!
     
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    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    I have not worked out the seasons properly but I reckon we have only been in the 2nd tier 19 of the 42 seasons you mention but best start at level 2 for 19 of the 42 seasons since 1975 is not so bad is it..

    Well done Jnr and the team on todays result and that good start.
     
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    I know you don't answer any of my posts Wiz, it seems if someone doesn't agree with your views they are LJ luvvies as you put it, why you have such a dislike for LJ is your business, I'm a million miles away from being an LJ luvvy, I, like you thought he should have lost his job last season, but SL stuck with him and at this moment in time he has made the right decision, I for one hope LJ takes us to the promised land, not because i'm a luvvie, but like all true city fans it would be a dream come true.
     
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    Guys the guy have turned the ship around,he deserves all the praise in the world.
    Long may it continue.
     
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  14. Supcon72

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    Of all the negative things said about LJ, the more money one is the silliest. Yes he has had more money, but the reasons are two fold;
    1. SL has understood that to compete (or even to survive) you have to spend big. This isn't new, he gave money to Steve Cotterill as well, but he couldn't entice players to come.
    2. He created his own wealth by selling Kodija to Villa as he recognised the ability of Tammy and exercised shrewd business sense in selling a player when the money was available. He tripled our highest ever fee received for a player with the hat deal!!
    Something previous managers and boards failed to realise.... Nicky Maynard springs to mind.
     
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    On the OP; if we don’t add to our squad in January the wheels will come off. We can’t cope with any more injuries or a ban.
     
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    I would guess that's why LJ took Bryan off, he had not long been booked and was getting in quite a few tangles with their winger who was trying to rile him up.
     
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    We should be all about discipline right now because having to worry that a player might get suspended makes life more difficult going forward. I think we are handling things, both on and off the pitch, quite well for the time being but as we all know those comfortable wheels have a bad habit of falling off at the most inopportune time.

    Adding depth and strength during the January transfer window probably makes sense as long as it is well intended, and at the right price. Don't spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar, so don't go to Harrods to do the shopping.
     
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