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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Hutch-tiger69, May 30, 2016.

  1. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. He was then halfway around the world the next day, I don't think we'll be seeing that much of him in Hull.
     
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  2. Trumpton Tiger.

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    I wonder where all the small tobacconist shops went ?
     
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  3. DMD

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    Maybe the tobacconists just got taller? :emoticon-0147-emo:
     
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  4. Ric Glasgow

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    Up in smoke I believe:emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  5. Steven Toast

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    Smoking won't be a thing for much longer, I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
     
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    Just like our dreams of a sale before the transfer window opens !
     
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  7. Ric Glasgow

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    Isn't it New Zealand or somewhere that has already made moves to forbid sales to youngsters reaching a certain age?? I'm sure I read this somewhere.
     
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  8. Steven Toast

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    Yep, anybody who is currently under the age of 14 will never be allowed to buy cigarettes. They want the country smoke free in three years. Really good initiative that, hopefully we do the same.
     
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  9. DMD

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    Tax income declines, pension strain increases, and smugglers get rich. The UK factored in predicted longevity to the change in the state pension age.

    They seem reluctant to reduce it now the figures show peoples life expectancy has actually reduced.
     
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  10. SydneyTiger14

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    This sounds like an argument for legalising everything and taxing it all.
     
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  11. DMD

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    Or an argument for education and against prohibition, which the example of America shows doesn't work, and has left them with an organised crime issue that they still haven't resolved.

    Banning is a cute short term soundbite though.
     
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  12. Ric Glasgow

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    The government has been trying to price it out of reach for some time now and to some extent it has begun to work.The long term goal is obviously cutting out serious lung diseases,probably too late for me(50 years of it,though I stopped 3 months ago) but long term it will save the NHS a lot of resource..

    The black market would be awash with expensive or fake product??
     
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  13. SydneyTiger14

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    Alcohol isn't inherently unhealthy in moderation though. Should people be allowed to sniff petrol because they have the right to moderate their own bodies, or do governments play a role in the health of their citizens?

    Probably not the thread for it but I find it a pretty weak argument to say making things illegal won't change anything and just fuel the black market. Same argument is made about guns in the US but we seem to manage just fine here in Aus without some huge weapons black market (of course there's some element, but it's not rife).
     
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    I haven't seen recent figures, but it used to be the case that tobacco revenue was a net gain to the NHS over the money spent on treatment.
     
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  15. DMD

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    You're actually making a point in favour of education over prohibition with your gun example.
     
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  16. SydneyTiger14

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    And yet I reckon most Doctors would be in favour of eliminating smoking.
     
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  17. DMD

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    I think most people in general would. It's academic to the discussion in question though.
     
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  18. SydneyTiger14

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    I'm making the point that both as a combination is the most effective strategy. I didn't sit through classes of "Guns are bad" at school, but I didn't grow up with easy access to weapons either so never encountered gun violence.

    With smoking, of course there's huge amounts of education around it, but the ease of access means plenty will ignore the education.
     
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    My point being that money isn't always the decisive factor, so arguing that they're a net positive to the NHS isn't the decisive point in the discussion.
     
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  20. DMD

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    Where did I say it was?

    You seem to be making assumptions based on things I haven't said, and then arguing against what are in reality points from your own imagination.


    That being the case, and it being well off topic here, I'll leave you to argue against yourself. <ok>
     
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