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Ernie Shackleton said:
Early games for us the criticisms of Ohio were poor first touch and poor positional awareness.

His goal against Ipswich 2 months later showed that he's thinking much more as the game unfolds. The cross from the freekick goes to the back post, way over his head, he doesn't follow it, he drops back anticipating the knock back. Meanwhile his marker and the other defenders have moved towards the goal line leaving him with plenty of space when the ball comes back over.

His technique to finish was good; although it went in off the underside of the crossbar.

If he'd have put it over the bar people would be berating his poor finishing. It's really fine margins.


He definitely improved with us. Whether that's enough for a contract, possibly not.
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Even putting his goals aside (as you say, there's such fine margins with goals and people put too much stock in rating a player based on them) his general play, movement and positioning as you've highlighted were far better. He held the ball up well against Cov, and think there was an instance against Ipswich where he lost possession but followed up with a second effort and won the ball back. Miles better than he had been up to the Stoke game.
 
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TurkeyTeeth™ said:
Why are we still debating Liam? He's gone.

Something for the Liam "disciples" to consider.
He was a relatively inexperienced Manager.
Let's face it, he was a great defender for us but never a hint that any of the elite Premier League teams were interested in him as a player.

What qualifications does he have? A UEFA Pro license.
There are 383 other English coaches with the same qualification.
Phil Brown, Nigel Pearson, Mick McCarthy (now considered to be "less modern") all have the exact same qualification.

There isn't another secret course run by Pep / Klopp to teach the nuances of Tika-Taka and Gegenpressing.
Many coaches have just tried to study and then copy these tactics.

Liam is just following a play out from the back in possession, use high press when out of possession tactic.
The question is whether he can get the players to play in that style effective enough to win enough games.
He didn't. We move on.
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Good shout mate.


Many fans hated the way we played out from the back and said so every time we dropped points. Now the talk seems to be about lamenting who picked the team rather than how City played or the time it took to actually have a shot at goal.


Time to move on indeed.
 
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Did Rosenior improve them, or did they just get better? Young players develop with game time.

If it wasn't for Schteve Bruce.....Robertson would be ****.
 
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TurkeyTeeth™ said:
Why are we still debating Liam? He's gone.

Something for the Liam "disciples" to consider.
He was a relatively inexperienced Manager.
Let's face it, he was a great defender for us but never a hint that any of the elite Premier League teams were interested in him as a player.

What qualifications does he have? A UEFA Pro license.
There are 383 other English coaches with the same qualification.
Phil Brown, Nigel Pearson, Mick McCarthy (now considered to be "less modern") all have the exact same qualification.

There isn't another secret course run by Pep / Klopp to teach the nuances of Tika-Taka and Gegenpressing.
Many coaches have just tried to study and then copy these tactics.

Liam is just following a play out from the back in possession, use high press when out of possession tactic.
The question is whether he can get the players to play in that style effective enough to win enough games.
He didn't. We move on.
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I think a most of us are talking about how Acun’s comments on Wednesday (less than 2 days ago) reflect on the reality of the second half of the season.

Not about whether Rosenior was a good or bad manager or whether Acun was right to sack him.
 
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Geo10 said:
Harsher than us sacking Rosie ?
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If you fail to do your job in the way your boss expects you will pay the price. I still dont see us sacking LR has harsh, even less so now Acun has clarified things. What has happened is my respect for Rosenior went up when I realised he was ignoring his boss and doing things which he felt were the right way to succeed. It takes balls to have that attitude and at some point in his career it may pay off for him.
 
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Jim the Tiger said:
If you fail to do your job in the way your boss expects you will pay the price. I still dont see us sacking LR has harsh, even less so now Acun has clarified things. What has happened is my respect for Rosenior went up when I realised he was ignoring his boss and doing things which he felt were the right way to succeed. It takes balls to have that attitude and at some point in his career it may pay off for him.
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I guess if you do, do that, you have to succeed, in Acun eyes Liam didn't.
 
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"bar his finish against Rotherham".
You have to laugh. Yep his positional awareness and technique was so poor when he scored that goal and then he only scored against Ipswich because Rosenior improved him.
Guffaw.
And the "who do you drop" is a red herring. Rosenior could have started with his best available striker, then the best options in the other positions, and effectively used others not starting as subs. He didn't, and has fallen on his own sword of a boring conservative possession above all else football philosophy.
 
Gone For A Walk said:
And the "who do you drop" is a red herring. Rosenior could have started with his best available striker, then the best options in the other positions, and effectively used others not starting as subs. He didn't, and has fallen on his own sword of a boring conservative possession above all else football philosophy.
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How bizarre. You say dropping someone is a red herring, then describe the process of dropping someone.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
"bar his finish against Rotherham".
You have to laugh. Yep his positional awareness and technique was so poor when he scored that goal and then he only scored against Ipswich because Rosenior improved him.
Guffaw.
And the "who do you drop" is a red herring. Rosenior could have started with his best available striker, then the best options in the other positions, and effectively used others not starting as subs. He didn't, and has fallen on his own sword of a boring conservative possession above all else football philosophy.
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Yes because scoring a goal doesn't instantly mean someone's had a good game. His game against Ipswich was much better and was topped off with the goal. I specifically said in response to Ernie "Even putting aside his goals against Coventry and Ipswich he was markedly better" FFS how simplistic do you view games? Even Howden agrees he improved.
 
tigerrev said:
If he turned down Plymouth as he didn't want to relocate, why would he relocate to Norwich? I know its not as far, but surely Sunlan is a better fit for him?
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But you just said he doesn't want to relocate? Why would Sunderland make more sense?

Norwich is a much bigger job than Plymouth, is closer, and philosophies would be aligned.
 
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