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  1. Cityzen

    Cityzen Well-Known Member

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    Yet someone on TV this morning was using Keegan to pin the blame on the Tories for everything. Even when it was pointed out it was set up under Blair and Starmer was at the CPS when they prosecuted some of the postmasters ( not that many as most were private prosecutions by the Post Office who paid bonuses to investigators for prosecutions) she still carried on.
     
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    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    I wasn’t trying to blame the Tories.
    My point, which OLM replied to, although didn’t contradict anything I’d said, was that given the links (and the legal problems) it’s unlikely they would stop giving Fujitsu future contracts.
    Which is exactly why big companies develop relationships with politicians of all hue
     
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  3. Cityzen

    Cityzen Well-Known Member

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    Wasn’t suggesting you were, was referring to Keegan and a woman on TV using his name to blame it all on the Tories (sent you a DM BTW).
     
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    Watch Silicon Valley.
     
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    Lots of people calling for Fujitsu's head today. I don't know the whole story, and never will, and I'm not defending Fujitsu at all. But, from their point of view they supplied software to the Post Office presumably in good faith. It would/should have been tested and signed off by Fujitsu before release to the Post Office, who would/should have tested and signed it off themselves before issuing it to end users. Fujitsu will have had a 'no consequential loss due to bugs' clause in the system, which is normal.
    The software will have had bugs, guaranteed. It's up to the Post Office to report these back to their supplier to get fixed.
    I haven't seen in this saga any evidence that Fujitsu were ever asked to investigate, the Post Office seemed to be intent on blaming the end user. I also don't know who was manning the support desk whose people had that ludicrous script to follow, were they PO employees, Fujitsu or both? They were clearly under instruction to refute any suggestion software failure effectively preventing any further investigation.
    It's all very murky and it's my guess that it might not get looked into much more after the current scandal is resolved. Fujitsu are still working with government, presumably successfully enough and I feel few will have the stomach to engage in more embarrassing muck-raking. General election coming up, new govt in place (?) , it'll drop way down the priority list imo.
    As an ex-developer, implementer, fixer of accounting systems I know how hard it is to fully test software in an environment of pressing timescales, pressure on budget, pressure from customers so the fact that bugs emerged is no surprise, it's also commonplace that customers don't test adequately themselves. But it is sad that no effort seems to have gone into fixing them.
     
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    Do not know te technical ins and outs of these systems but it was claimed outsiders could not access the system but someone pointed out that it was remotely accessible from another location and was brushed aside.
     
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    Fujitsu's problem, is that they ran the Horizon helpline and were consistently lying to sub postmasters about them being the only one having an issue and them not being able to access their terminals. Considering this led to wrongful prosecutions, I don't see how they can't be held at least partly liable. It seems there was a terrible culture at Fujitsu, there were a lot of Asian sub postmasters and at Fujitsu they nicknamed them all 'scamming Patels'.
     
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    The idea that the system was inaccessible from the outside is one I find a bit hard to swallow. How else is a system to be adequately supported? What matters is that there is an audit trail of what access has taken place, why, when and by whom.
     
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    I didn't know that and it does make a difference. I'd guess the staff were likely contractors with no particular allegiance to Fujitsu working to a script. I wonder who signed off the script? Smacks of collusion between Fujitsu and the PO at a high level which goes way beyond whether or not the software had a few bugs.
     
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    My sister in law Linda worked at brough, something to do with stress engineering but don’t quote me on that as she is a very shy person and never said much about her job there. Having a really bad time with her health at the moment, lovely lady but painfully shy.
     
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    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    That’s sad to hear. Hope she recovers.

    I will therefore refrain from the joke I was initially going to write about all women I know being engineers of stress…:emoticon-0127-lipss
     
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    It’s fine lol very funny…she’s a very clever lass but as they say money and power mean ****all if you don’t have good health.
     
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    I remember a Linda R***** from stress engineering, I worked with a lot from the Brough design offices, well respected if she's the same person and I hope she gets well mate.
     
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    Yes that’s her but I couldn’t put on here about her health problems, needless to say they are pretty bad mate. Thank you for that lovely comment, next time I see her I’ll send her your wishes. Take care mate, life is way too short.
     
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    On a lighter note I’ve just watched Thor ragnaok for the 3/4th time, I’d forgotten how funny it was and the best of the lot was the rock guy.
     
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    Essex lorry killers

    bloody awful way to die
     
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    Norm, the last series of The Good Doctor starts late next month, I wonder if he's 'going to die'? :emoticon-0125-mmm:


    The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
     
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    Started watching Money Heist - up to Part 3. Really enjoying it
     
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    I absolutely love that series but pleeeese don’t kill him off…. Lol
     
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