Yeah I read that today also and he has a point. And ES needs to do one or the other. The way i suggested and free up at least some funds or the way DA is on about. In an ideal world I would go the DA way hoping that the players f*** off but do I think ES will, well im not convinced and then do i think the players we have who we no longer want would take a pay cut, i doubt it. maybe buckley and bridcutt might but fletcher and graham i think would be happy to just sit and take the money. I hate the rot in SAFC at the minute and just want these players to leave so we can move forward. I would have also put AJ in there with Fletch and Graham but there is no chance we are getting rid of him until this trial is over. And i was a fletch fan up until about a year ago, but his attitude stinks. Shame cos he is a good goalscorer imo .
In an ideal world we'd all go the DA way as Sunderland fans. in The Ellis Short world, I can't see that happening. You can't blame him, when his club runs at a loss, frustrating as it is. Buckley and Bridcutt will have to move as I doubt they've made enough to retire on, although for the likes of most of us I'm sure they have enough cash to start a new business or summat. Thank **** DG and Fletch only have a year left.
The worrying part is Advocaat saying you're still paying for players who have left. Spreading payments of players over several years, who could they be? Eating into your budget every year, old recruits, some of them have left. It's a huge shame when you have one year for Advocaat to turn you lot around. Bad management, who's to blame, Quinn?
He was a nobody to United fans, they were a nothing club as well. I don't hate him, I just think he gets an easy ride for being such a plonker. There appears to be a group of Sunderland fans who walk around following Quinn with a halo to hold above his head, truth is, he's tried his best to make you part of the furniture in the PL and sacrificed all sense of financial sensibility along the way, you're paying for it, he's sat in the Sky studios. He was the chairman, not some football consultant. You needed a financial person first and foremost to run your club. You're doing a marvellous job of keeping your head above the water whilst people scramble to clean up his **** under the surface.
Just my opinion mate, I could be wrong of course. There are others on here who agree with me mind, maybe not entirely, but in part.
That's about it, Juan. He can never be regarded as a 'plonker' here, and for good reason. We really were in a lot of trouble. If Niall hadn't brought in the Drumaville people, I doubt if Sunderland would be anything more than third or fourth tier by now. The thing about Niall was he'd always played for bigger clubs, and brought that ambition to us - the SAFC Foundation was a symbol of that thinking. He personally gave his benefit money for two children's wards. He started to make us look like a successful big club - even if we weren't. And he brought in Short. So when the Irish economy hit the deck, we had a ready made savour. But I do think he made an awful lot of mistakes and handed us fans an awful lot of blarney - things that Short is now having to catch up on (and getting no thanks for it). So you''re right in thinking there is at least one on here who agrees with you "maybe not entirely, but in part". Quite a big part too.
It is really worrying the suggestion that budget is tied up in departed players. Considering profits made on Henderson, Mignolet, Bent and Gyan just to name 4, I worry that a club that hasn't made any progress whatsoever in 9 years in the top flight is still operating at, or close to, a loss. How can Ellis keep people employed at the club? Turnover grows, income from sponsorship and kit deal is significantly improved, but we are no further forward financially, and very little on the park. Swansea are a prime example of it done right, their owner has a tiny percentage of Ellis wealth, a smaller town and stadium, smaller crowds, yet here they are attracting Ayew from Marseille, Laudrup as manager etc. Whoever is selling the vision of SAFC, whoever speaks to people and gives that first impression, is a ****ing joke like. Got to be haven't they? Even Palace now, with their crumbling old stadium and Macron shirts, signing Cabaye, Stoke signing Shaqiri. We are getting absolutely left in a cloud of smoke by these clubs off the park, and that transfers onto the park. Sunderland AFC is a fantastic historical football club with such a huge following and potential that it's bordering on staggering that we just plod along getting nowhere. It is frustrating for sure.
I'll take that! There's no doubting he done wonders for you, but I think he was guilty of attempting to fix too much, too soon. Maybe he was under the impression that Short was some sort of Abramovic who was going to empty his pockets every summer, maybe Short gave him that impression to begin with, who knows? Everybody makes mistakes mate, I don't think he's solely to blame at all, I just think he failed to spot his own shortcomings as a chairman.
Quinn absolutely did what he did fuelled by passion and dreams rather than with any kind of forethought or business sense, but we were in a far worse state before he came in than we are now or are ever likely to be.
Of course, he's 'saved' you so you're bound to like the guy, I just think to some, he seems immune from criticism. If you found out tomorrow that Quinn scuppered a deal with the Sheikh's that took over City because he wouldn't agree to step down as chairman, hypothetically speaking, I think you'd all be queuing up to strangle him! I've only highlighted the fact that you work in the red and he wasn't a businessman, I think it's all evolved from sentiment.
I won't argue that Terry, absolutely he had his flaws and absolutely he never had the correct skill set to be a club chairman, but we won't slate him as he literally did save the club if stories are to be believed, and to be fair, 9 years top flight? His legacy for all it's negatives, well that positive is the be all and end all in reality. We are, for now, and established top flight club, what Quinn set out to achieve, he achieved.
That's all fair mate, then maybe you need to look for somebody else again, to find how to push on to that next level, attract the players etc.
Has he not admitted that he made mistakes, and that he had shortcomings as a chairman He took on the job, for a set 5 year period, to 'steady the ship' knowing that being 'a chairman' had never been on his c.v. or list of ambitions . . . . similar to the reason that he took on the manager role He did an excellent job with raising our profile, and found a chairman/owner that 'bought into' his vision and was prepared to invest money and 'take us forward' . . . . this is after his small contribution to the footballing side when he was a part of the most exciting Sunderland A.F.C. team that I've ever watched (and that includes the '73 period) To ridicule what he has done for S.A.F.C. is downright offensive, and I make no apology for my defence of him He can't half sup a few pints, as well
No, I'd rather hang fire on that at least for one year. The thing is, by July, Lens, M'Vila, Fer, and Rombaerts were all here having medicals and talking personal terms. If we had those four in now, everybody here would be singing Lee Congerton's praises. He couldn't know that two of them were crocked. So I'm pretty happy with the people handling it for now, and think maybe they've been a bit unlucky.
So to argue my point that he had shortcomings as a chairman, you highlight all the things he was good at? Well done. That's the equivalent of me saying how Fergie was such a great winner, then highlighting all the cup finals he lost.
I understood it perfectly, but admitting something in hindsight is all a little too late. Anyway, it's a fruitless exploration, like I said, some of you get a bit too protective over the precious angel and start spitting your dummies out.
