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carlthejackal said:
I felt like throwing my toys out...;)

It may be saying the obvious but just looking at the stats of defence and attack of the league winners hardly give any conclusive evidence of which is more important. Spurs coming second with the best defence and attack seem to confirm that.

All I can say with certainty is that the league winners cannot have either a rubbish defence or a rubbish attack. A brilliant attack must be back by a decent defence and vice versa. Wins are more important than defeats so intuitively I would choose the former rather than the latter given the choice.
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Exactly.

These stats are also skewed by teams no longer giving a shot when it's already won.

I mean let's face it a party occurred for John Terry while spurs won by 6 on last day so goals scored totally flipped last day.

In the end both spurs and Chelsea have <1goal a game conceeded and >2 goals scored per game so it was draws that scored them out and spurs drew 8.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Which is more enjoyable - winning or scoring a lot of goals? ...

We could draw 3-3 and it's put me in a right mood. I find scrappy 1-0 win more enjoyable
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I enjoy good defending too. I could enjoy a 3-3 more than a 1-0. Depends on the match itself. A 3-3 with us scoring in the last minute of injury time could be very satisfying but it could be very frustrating in the last match against Boro ;) Depends on context too.
That is why it is so difficult to look at just stats. Watching the match is crucial.
 
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carlthejackal said:
I enjoy good defending too. I could enjoy a 3-3 more than a 1-0. Depends on the match itself. A 3-3 with us scoring in the last minute of injury time could be very satisfying but very frustrating in the last match against Boro ;)

That is why it is so difficult to look at just stats. Watching the match is crucial.
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Actually, you can ask the question at two stages - did you enjoy the match itself, or do you enjoy the result?

I agree - a 3-3 is very entertaining for that 90 min period. But the 1-0 is more enjoyable after the 90 mins until the next game.
 
Zanjinho said:
I'm not convinced everyone on here actually enjoys watching football...
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My recent experiments in controversial thread making have established two things for me:
1. A lot of fans are just interested in the result regardless of how it's achieved or the actual process of watching the game.
2. Many are way too obsessed with Utd.

Now if that doesn't bring the sky down on my head nothing will. :)
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saintKlopp said:
My recent experiments in controversial thread making have established two things for me:
1. A lot of fans are just interested in the result regardless of how it's achieved or the actual process of watching the game.
2. Many are way too obsessed with Utd.

Now if that doesn't bring the sky down on my head nothing will. :)
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Dropping a bomb and running is always good.
 
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saintKlopp said:
My recent experiments in controversial thread making have established two things for me:
1. A lot of fans are just interested in the result regardless of how it's achieved or the actual process of watching the game.
2. Many are way too obsessed with Utd.

Now if that doesn't bring the sky down on my head nothing will. :)
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Obsesed with united??.They can marry united and we excommunicate them.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Where's Flanno when you need him!
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Main reason I liked him tbh


saintKlopp said:
My recent experiments in controversial thread making have established two things for me:
1. A lot of fans are just interested in the result regardless of how it's achieved or the actual process of watching the game.
2. Many are way too obsessed with Utd.

Now if that doesn't bring the sky down on my head nothing will. :)
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Soom fall into both categories
 
saintKlopp said:
My recent experiments in controversial thread making have established two things for me:
1. A lot of fans are just interested in the result regardless of how it's achieved or the actual process of watching the game.
2. Many are way too obsessed with Utd.

Now if that doesn't bring the sky down on my head nothing will. :)
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Some men just want to watch the world burn ...
 
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I think your perspective on entertainment vs winning is altered if you're a match goer tbh.

We all want to see great winning football, but if you're travelling a distance to a game and enjoying the whole match day experience then you want to see a win irrespective of the manner it's delivered imo, as a long journey home is always much better after seeing your side get the 3 points.

If you're just turning on the TV and you want to be entertained before turning it off and getting on with the rest of your day, you haven't got the same level of emotional attachment imo.
 
Tobes said:
I think your perspective on entertainment vs winning is altered if you're a match goer tbh.

We all want to see great winning football, but if you're travelling a distance to a game and enjoying the whole match day experience then you want to see a win irrespective of the manner it's delivered imo, as a long journey home is always much better after seeing your side get the 3 points.

If you're just turning on the TV and you want to be entertained before turning it off and getting on with the rest of your day, you haven't got the same level of emotional attachment imo.
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Interesting point, but I still can't agree.
I've spent many years since my childhood going to every home game and some away ones. For various reasons over the last decade or so I've been reduced to TV only. I know both situations well, and my attitude is no different, tbh.
Perhaps entertainment isn't a great word because it makes it sound like a variety show or something. I want to watch good football, something that gets me excited, whether it be individual skills, fluid teamwork, and even the odd controversial refereeing decision.
I fully accept that there are people who appreciate strong defensive play so I think the crucial factor is your own personality. It just depends what you want from a game, and we're all different.
I think that passion and emotional involvement is what brings us to watch football so I feel vaguely let down when I'm just bored for 90 minutes.
 
Tobes said:
I think your perspective on entertainment vs winning is altered if you're a match goer tbh.

We all want to see great winning football, but if you're travelling a distance to a game and enjoying the whole match day experience then you want to see a win irrespective of the manner it's delivered imo, as a long journey home is always much better after seeing your side get the 3 points.

If you're just turning on the TV and you want to be entertained before turning it off and getting on with the rest of your day, you haven't got the same level of emotional attachment imo.
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I reckon the dissatisfaction of a loss or dull draw is heightened. I reckon a lot of mancs were very frustrated sitting at the toilet being so constipated this year. wins a win yeah but i think football here is radically different to football in other countries where basically I think only away fans exhibit the same crowd engagement these days.

Compare any serious club round europe's "kop" to most of the top clubs in england. Not just us or utd or city. Theres no comparison.
 
A good or bad result will affect my mood.

When its done with boring football, it most definitely makes me question team tactics etc especially if you get draws.

When you play good football and win its great and even a draw isn't the end of the world.

Give me ****ty football and wins over a good football and draws but ideally you would want to marry the two.

I actually wasn't sad to see mourinho go in 2006/07 as i thought his football had gotten us far enough and we'd never win the CL with his brand of football. I was wrong though, RDM won with the most defensively dour football ever. It was beautiful though that it won even though for the neutrals it was probably pretty ****ty.
 
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BobbyD said:
A good or bad result will affect my mood.

When its done with boring football, it most definitely makes me question team tactics etc especially if you get draws.

When you play good football and win its great and even a draw isn't the end of the world.

Give me ****ty football and wins over a good football and draws but ideally you would want to marry the two.

I actually wasn't sad to see mourinho go in 2006/07 as i thought his football had gotten us far enough and we'd never win the CL with his brand of football. I was wrong though, RDM won with the most defensively dour football ever. It was beautiful though that it won even though for the neutrals it was probably pretty ****ty.
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Slightly off topic, it was a magical night for Chelsea but the game was horrible. It reminded me of greece in the Euros.
 
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