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Neil Redfearn - A good manager?

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  1. LeedsLover

    LeedsLover Well-Known Member

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    Leedsrevolution, with respects,

    I disagree with regards to Redfearn, and agree with most of the others. For me he is picking his favourites and it shows. Morison isn't scoring, well, hasn't scored for us in 2 years, Millwall loan aside. Most managers/coaches would've dropped him ages ago. While Morison isn't scoring, it puts a lot of extra pressure on the mids to score, and it shouldn't be like that.

    Austin, while I don't dislike him, but am understanding that some do rate him, he's too inconsistent, he's either trying to score 3 points or pocket the ball in corner flag. His passing isn't the best either for a midfielder.

    You mentioned he drops players playing badly, Adryan was playing well against Sunderland before Redders subbed him, then dropped him saying he's got to play better, but puts his players in that don't perform their duties on par.

    Sloth had a great game against Sunderland and Reading, then Redders dropped him for Austin, who was also later subbed but, Redders has stated, players get picked on performance and merit, but not the likes of Adryan, Sloth and other Cellino signings it seems.

    Like Josh and a couple of others said, the team can always be improved, Josh goes on to say " I think he sees less than fans to be honest," which I also agree with, but further to that, there are a few things that Redders turns a blind eye to in favour of his favourites, then makes excuses.

    Both the Sunderland and Reading games were both forced changes for Redders and he included more Cellino signings, yet for me, both those games were our best performances. Our mids in the Sunderland game showed up the previous midfield, yet Redders changed it straight after and played Sloth out of position, then dropped him.

    I have to agree to drop Redders now would be foolish, only because it could upset everything, but, when you look at the games we've drawn and won lately, for me the performances have not really been an improvement, despite the results and the reading game aside. We still have 15 games to go.

    We all see players coaches/managers and owners differently, that's understandable as it gives us our own opinions and views to debate, which makes this forum interesting.
     
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  2. LeedsLover

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    With respects Kiwi,

    it isn't Redders first position as manager / coach, he managed Halifax Town in 2001 - 2002, Scarborough in 2005 - 2006, Northwich Victoria 2007, York City 2008. then took over the Leeds academy on 1st January 2009.

    Apparently, as manager / coach and as temp caretaker coach his record is very poor, and looks like he never stayed longer than a year at any of the clubs, sometimes shorter. Halifax were in L1 or L2 at the time while the others were in conference and northern leagues.

    He's had tastes of manager / coach and player / coach jobs, but no championship experience.......see wiki.
     
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  3. Whitejock

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    Got to pick you up on this one, Rev. I've been as critical as everyone else in the past re. Austin's inconsistency, but not since we moved him to AM. Since then, he's been quite brilliant, in terms of a consistently excellent performance, positivity, energy & PASSING.

    No argument about his shooting. I've commented on this before, and believe the coaches should be pulling him in for afternoon sessions to work on his shooting. I think there are a few more candidates who could join him. Antenucci and Murphy were rather Austin-esque on Saturday.

    When you talk about his inconsistency, are you referring to his most recent performances as an AM, or the various berths he's been asked to fill over the season to date?

    What are you basing your 'passing' comment on? Even when inconsistent, he's been up there amongst the best for his passing stats.
     
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  4. lr22

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    Don't bring me into this one, it was Leeds Lover who posted that! :emoticon-0103-cool:
     
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    Since Austin has moved into a more attacking role he's been outstanding. I do like him anyway so maybe biased - would like to see him offered a 1 year extension.
     
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  7. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Wtf, what's all this with respect bollocks, a bit like when some says but in the middle of a sentence you can ignore everything before the but, with respect is basically calling someone a ****... Ffs man up... Lol
     
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  8. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Oops! Sorry Rev.

    See what you've made me do now, LL? Grrrr. :D
     
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    With respect Chippy. Some people like to be polite and not absolute dickheads - <laugh>
     
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  10. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    I know nobody like that.
     
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  11. lr22

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    Fixed it for ya.
     
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  12. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    With all due respect (none), no you fecking didn't.
     
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  13. kiwi

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    My mistake - I had intended to put it was his first permanent position at this level. I don't think Redfearn is perfect; he has an awful lot to learn and as Josh said, he's often reactive rather than proactive (especially with regards to his substitutions) but given the restraints and the ridiculously unbalanced squad he's working with, I really don't think he's doing that bad a job. If you told me we could replace him with Mourinho for next season, of course I'd replace him, but I don't see the point in replacing him when the only managers/coaches interested in the job will most likely be another Hockaday or Milanic.
     
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  14. clarkeyking

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    redfearn is doing agreat job and ifd cellino had let him be the last time round we would be in top be in top 6, I cant see any coach succeding at elland road given the amount of interferance from cellino but redfearn is doing a good job despite this fact
     
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  15. LeedsLover

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    ClarkeyKing, no malice pal,

    1) There has never been any proof provided that Cellino interferes with the picking of the team, or dictating the formation. Apart from buying players, which Redders was fully aware of before he took the post full time, there's nothing to show Cellino runs the show.

    2) Cellino wanted Redders to stay in academy because he was doing a good job, after Darko, Cellino succumbed to pressure from the fans, media and Redders himself, who wanted the job and Cellino made him full time coach.

    3) Out of 18 games he's won 6, drawn 4 and lost 8, which does not include his stint as temp coach games. His losses are greater than his wins at moment, his draws are catching up to his wins. Depending on how you look at it, he's achieved 22 points out of 54 points and only has a 33.33% win ratio.

    Clarkey, I appreciate and respect your opinions, but too many people, especially on other forums and articles are still accusing Cellino of interfering in team without knowing, or bothering to learn the truth, and the media don't help as some believe what they read in print, even more so if it is aligned to their own agenda.

    Just take a step back and think about it for a minute,

    with all the Cellino signings Redders has ousted, if Cellino was interfering, even from Miami, do you think he would've done it by now. Worth thinking about.
     
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  16. LeedsLover

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    Chippy,

    I think you, WJ and Leedsrevo may end up in a threesome....can we watch.....:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  17. Chippy / Glory

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    Perv.
     
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  18. Whitejock

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    Bastard! I thought you'd got rid of those photos!
     
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  19. Irishshako

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    It doesn't matter who is manager at the club, you will always get supporters who don't like them. I'm just going with the flow and he's done ok up to now IMO.
     
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