Stop talking rubbish. You need to wake up as to who really has made the informed decisions that have brought success. It's not Delia ****ing Smith.
Well Supers, I suppose you have been well and truly vindicated when you stated that you didn't want Adams "anywhere near the first team"
Irrelevant. Might not have sounded like it from the tone of my posts but I wanted Adams to be a success once he was appointed. It's easy to slate a manager, whatever the reasons, because most fail anyway - so you'll probably be proven correct in the end! But with Adams I felt the whole appointment was fundamentally wrong and that this was too big for him. When I think that I'll say so.
Here we go again!! Every bad decision was her fault - every good decision was nothing to do with her. Perhaps you would enlighten us on your obviously detailed knowledge of the decision making process at Carrow Road. We had all this nonsense a little while ago when you came out with STATEMENTS OF FACTS about flaws in her character and the way she presented herself only to finally admit that you had never met the woman in your life and your opinions were based on her cookery programmes. I am not going to breach confidences but suffice to say that my Godson ( son of my best mate for the last 50 years ) holds a senior position at Carrow Road and he tells me, in general terms, what goes on. What is the source of your information? And before anybody asks I do not get any information much before official announcements - it is more than his job is worth. I had no prior information about Neill and by the time he had rung his Dad and his Dad had rung me Adams resignation had been announced on Sky Sports. I KNOW what involvement Delia has in the decision making process at Carrow Road and if you KNOW anything to the contrary then obviously my Godson has been feeding his Father and myself bullshit over the years. 1950canary? Non! Je suis Charlie
Well again, your now even talking bullshit about the things I've said. I'd say the decision process for the clique former players/ coaches are that she has been pushing for them. The others have been researched by McNally etc and picked and put forward with there recommendations. It is no doubt she has been friends with Worthington, Hamilton (best mates), Gunn and Adams. My opinions of her are solely based on her reactions to the press/TV regarding NCFC (particularly when her role is questioned and the "I'm just a supporter" position is trotted out) not her stupid cookery programmes of which I have never seen a single episode. Perhaps I am one of the few not being influenced by them and explains my lack of empathy for her. So your mate who holds a senior position at Carrow Rd has been privy to the board discussions of these appointments. You haven't actually stated that he has, or that he knows, or that he has even been employed for the 16 years. Don't state that you know her involvement over that period because you do not. Who picked Hamilton, Grant, Worthington and Gunn? You are talking out of your arse if you are trying to make out she was not the main decision maker so don't state otherwise because you don't know at all. She has repeated history of employing friends. You ask your Godson about those. I'm intrigued about the answers, because I feel certain he either doesn't know or will say she was a major part of it. You can PM me if you do not wish to publish, I promise I won't use it against you in future. Even if what you say is true, what on Earth is she doing allowing repeated failings to occur over and over again. If McNally picked Adams then why was she not banging on his door saying NO!!!. Perhaps it was because she was very friendly with Adams and wanted him as manager? I think your Godson (being senior an' all) should have pulled her to one side and explained why this approach was not working. Would of been worth a massive pay hike, I would certainly have been thankful. Your interpretation is that Queen Delia has no say on the manager and is not responsible. Despite being majority shareholder. That is a very strange set up indeed. The trouble is you are trying to palm off her present role (which I'm sure is less involved given her age) and play it as the same as it has been for 16 years. You also portray her as somebody who has not had anything back from the club, when she clearly has.
On paper our squad is more technical skilled then a lot of the other teams in this league, no disrespect to the other clubs but we were playing against Champion League standard clubs likes of Chelsea, Man City and United every few weeks, so you can expect a slight gulf in talent. I accept the Championship is a different beast all together the opposition are more physical and games are intense, a couple of games aside I've been convinced our squad has done that, where we have failed is players switching off and a lack of motivation. We have to face facts we had a squad that was more then capable of winning this league, the way things are at the moment we've failed that objective and it's going to need a miracle to get one of those top three spots.
The main reason we've struggled to really get going at all in this league is because of a a lack of teamwork. We've got good individuals but only fleetingly have we seen them play as a cohesive unit. Alex Neil managed to get his Hamilton side playing as a team, playing for each other and for himself and if he does that here we will close down on the top two. Whether we can get in the top two is another matter. We basically lost 2 and a half months of the season. Its a big ask.
And you are talking bullshit about things I said. In my original post I quite clearly referred to 'the past few years' and continually referred to the current decision making process. If you wish to pursue a pointless discussion about how decisions were made 16 years ago when there was a different Board and a different Chief Exec you will have to find somebody else to do it. Since McNally has been here he has always made the final decisions although at times he has taken advice from a footballing committee before making his final decision. Delia has never been involved in such a committee. I don't know why he appointed Adams. Perhaps he thought he was up to the job having been dealing with him for a while. Perhaps he interviewed way better than anybody else. I don't know as, unlike you presumably, neither I nor my Godson was present at the interview. Perhaps he did it to upset you but all I do know is that McNally made the final decision. Other things I do know, as do most others, is that when she came in the Club was hours before going out of business and the Club was in complete chaos. 16 years later, after many ups and downs, we are completely stable financially, have had spells in the Premiership- including the last 3 seasons, have - what most people say - is the best squad in the league and with half the season to go are only 3 points off the play-offs. Whether the new appointment succeeds only time will tell but quite clearly McNally carried out the research and not only made the appointment but is also carrying out all the negotiations, Delia has not even been at Carrow Road since last week. Surely in all businesses all business decisions and senior staff appointments are made by the Chief Exec who then reports on what he has done to the Board and major shareholders. Why should NCFC be any different?
I agree, there are too many players playing different games on the pitch not covering, pressing or spotting passes etc, the lack of leadership on the pitch at times has been abysmal too. We'll have to see how Neil does, as I've mentioned before on this forum the board do not install much confidence in regards to their managerial appointments, the cynical side of me can't help but think this is another major gamble hoping to find a Lambert clone there are too many coincidences Scottish? Young? Central Midfielder?. My Dad follows Scottish football and claims Neil is a brilliant manager I've heard he likes to play a passing game with plenty of pressing, his supposed to be quite aggressive too so I'd imagine there will be a couple of exits, he might even bring in some personal that Andreu statistically looks like a good player and they've apparently got a quality full back Celtic were looking to sign.
I don't want to have a pointless argument, I'm making plenty of points to be honest. I don't have to find somebody else for answers, you were putting yourself forward and arguing against all my comments as if you KNEW otherwise. We now know you don't. "Delia has never been involved in such a committee" What you should say is "Delia has never been involved in such a committee that I know of". I'm sorry but it is bullshit she had no say or influence in Adams, and naive to think otherwise. I have never said she didn't save the club, but I do object to the image you put of her that she has not received anything back. You also seem to think that it absolves her from all blame forever. I will say it again, this limited success this club has had has been built on a very small pool of people. They should get the accolades, not her.
I KNOW exactly what has gone on since McNally has been there because I have been told by somebody heavily involved with the Club on a day to day basis. If you want to believe your own biased assumptions over facts then that is up to you - it doesn't bother me. Most Clubs of our size would have been delighted to have had our ' limited success ' both on and off the pitch over the last 16 years but that is an argument for another day.
I think it's possible to create a new thread and merge selected posts into it, but trying to do that from a tablet will probably drive me crazier than Guru.
No, I'll say it again, you are passing your recent (apparent) KNOWING, as facts over all my points. You don't comment on the vast amount of bad managers, the near second bankruptcy, the ownership for funds, the selling of the land, the destruction of the youth set up, the League One relegation, the "lets be avin you". You seem to think that that doesn't count. You are the biased one because you seem to think your an insider, your not. I am solely looking at the performance of her reign and the patterns of managerial appointment. It is abundently clear who the people are who had the brains and skills to bring this club its success. She has nearly destroyed us with her incompetence and it was Paul Lambert that saved us. We could very well have ended up like Portsmouth if it wasn't for him.
Ultimately, both 1950 and Carrabuh are pushing extremes to validate their points but neither are actually wrong. Delia and Michael have not really been a big issue since Bowkett and McNally came through the door. They've both taken a back seat in the day to day running of the club and perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that it coincided with an upturn in our fortunes - they are, after all, more knowledgeable about running successful businesses and football clubs respectively. However, they have ploughed a lot of money into our football club over the years. They are not super-rich people and had no idea if they would ever see that money again. They've done it out of a love for the club. Sometimes when you love something so much, like a puppy, you just want to squeeze it so much. But you end up hurting the puppy! (Sorry to go down the dog route again ) As it happens they've managed to recoup all their money but that's not really the point. It took them a l long time but eventually they handed over the club (effectively) to people who knew what they were doing and had they not made that decision there's no way we'd have been as successful as we have these past five years. I'd argue we probably wouldn't exist at all.
Thank you Supers. For some unknown reason there is a word in ' I only know what has happened since McNally arrived' that Carrabuh doesn't seem to understand. I do not know what happened before then - and, to be fair, nor does he and on that basis I cannot get involved in a pointless discussion based on a character assassination of Delia. All I have ever said is that I know what has happened since McNally arrived, since then Delia has taken a backseat with McNally making all the decisions and that we are now in a far healthier state as a Club than we were when Delia took over. Incidentally I find it difficult to understand how our present academy set up represents a ' complete destruction of our youth set up '
Delia is not the devil. Nor is she a saint. She's made some horrendous calls. Bryan Hamilton (her best buddy) being the absolute rock bottom of all of them. But, she (and her husband) are not purposefully destructive. They do care passionately about the club just as we all do, but I think that hampers their decision making. I do know that they would sell IF the right buyer came in. Don't get me wrong, they're not in any hurry to sell and they are not actively looking to sell - they both enjoy the limelight that the association brings - but when the right offer comes along they will accept. Whether that offer ever comes along is another question. I don't buy into the scenario that it HAS to be a City fan. For one it limits us, so much so that it probably won't happen.
Met Delia at the Sheffield Wednesday game a few months ago in the pub beforehand and she was strongly supportive of Neil because of the fan backing for him. She said that at the Southampton game where we lost 4-2 away and played horrifically under CH that fans had turned strongly against Hughton (Justifiably) and shouted at her to get NA in. You could tell she genuinely believed that putting NA in charge would get the fans back around behind the team again as she could understand why people were fed up with CH. You could tell speaking to her how passionate she was and how she wanted the club to do well for the fans. Was a really interesting conversation with her, Mcnally was there and was surprisingly nice. She didn't offer us a pint though - only downer.
