I have nothing to discuss with people that are blinder than the average american. Architects and engineers for 9\11 are not conspiracy theory dudes, they do not say who attacked, they say the buildings especially no7 were demolitioned. These are far more creditable people that any of us, they are pros in their industry, construction of buildings like the WTC and no7, and I can see fromth e replies, that ye have watched something like alex jones. It has been proven beyond a doubt thermite was used. Proven beyond as doubtr No7 was demolished I do not think the firefighters made up lies when they said the ground shook from explosions in the basements. Where is the plane that hit a the pentagon? Where is flight 93 as in both cases there was a smoking scrape in the ground but not a single piece of an aeroplane? Blind blind blind, and you now what, noone really cares and noone has the balls to challenge it. Bush being there was an affront to the victims families. His dad had a seriuos part to play. and for what he was doing when told, I cant believe someone on here is crediting him with composure and compassion by saing he kept his head, bush is a failed businessman and a dipso, if he was only learning of it then, that idiot would have fliped out, he fkn knew.. no surprise there. I see no mention of my ref to the attack by the israelis on the US ship on the order of the US president sop they could attack Korea? Delassified dod doc, but if it wasn't actual fact the same fools willbe saying conspiracy theory a term coined by th US administration a long ong time ago.
I like a good conspiracy theory and always wonder if something more went on with 9/11 but at the end of the day there is conflicting evidence and no conclusive proof.
Ok, I have been reading through and of course there is going to be a split in opinions on what happened, some say terrorist, some say Government cover up, all depends on what you might have seen or heard and what you want to believe. But BBF, don't throw all of us into the same pot, we all want answers, did finding and killing Osama ( if we even did, if you are a conspirator) end all of this? No. There are a lot of questions to be asked and answered where unfortunately for all of the firefighters who said the ground shook, you have a recorded phone call from the flight that went down in the middle of nowhere. Where you have no plane in the pentagon, you have people who saw the Plane flying so low it was taking out telephone poles and lights. You also have the people who say the planes were not even regular Boeing planes but fighter jets ( courtesy of Michael Moore I believe) and it is shown on video the floors blowing up before the plane hit them. You also have accounts of people who stared eye to eye with the plane and swear it was a commercial 747. Will we ever find the answers? I highly doubt it, the schism is too great and we will never really know due to a number of equations; goverment cover up, people split on stories, maybe this is the real story but no one believes it due to the conspiracy theories. Either way you slice it, this was a TRAGEDY and people lost their lives and no matter what side you are on ( Al Queda vs Government cover up) it is wrong that these people lost their lives and a damn shame. Ease up on saying every American is simple, blind, deaf, and dumb. In regards to Eccleston, it was not the brightest move, he should know that what he says can get out to public due to him being a professional player. We are having this conversation now, but if one of us were famous (enough), guarenteed it would be out in the news that ____ stated this. Again, there is too much of a split and too many varying stories to really get a good grasp of what happened on that day.
All I'll say on this subject is that "Loose Change" is a good watch, and does ask some worthwhile questions, but also, you can see other point are not very believable and are reaching. I'd recommend it to everyone, for entertainment purposes...
let's face it, leaving aside geo-politics and conspiricy, people died who were innocent victims. For their families and friends that is a tragedy. To add an element of controversey on the very day that they are going to be at their most raw is purile. There are many things with which I take issue with the American's (not least their funding of NorAid) but I would not raise them with any American or post publically any message that may appear hurtful when they are respecting their dead. I wouldn't post a thread on here talking about air safety on the day of the Munich disaster. Most of the mancs who post on here would not post a thread on crowd safety on the anniversary of Hillsborough. Let's show some human decency.
1. the conspiracy clowns are nuts. 2. fordeckdave has it exactly right. the tenth anniversary is not a day to be playing stupid conspiracy games when families are remembering their dead end of story. 3. people on here saying they'll never know what happened.... come on! look with your eyes, not at second hand rubbish spouted by people. you saw what happened... this is like blaming the japan tsunami on something wild and then saying we'll never really know what happened and why. PLEASE don't get some dim idea i'm comparing the two directly, merely taking two huge TV live events we all saw and showing how if a few wild things are made up you get nutjob stories. Go right ahead believing what you like but don't ever think others need to change thier points of view based on what they saw themselves to suit you.
Dave. I agree with that. However Gazza shouldn't have done it. He was uneducated, I doubt it if he actually knew what he did would cause offence. Probably in the same way Bosnich didn't know what he did would cause offence. Artur Boruc however did, Tommy Burns used to bless himself in front of Rangers fans until he got banned from doing it.
I don't think what he said is too bad to be honest, if that's his opinion, but it's just the timing of it. If I came on here spouting conspiricy theories about a Liverpool disaster on the anniversary I would be rightly shot down by everyone and rightly so. That's what suprises me as there is some Liverpool fans on this thread who think he has done little wrong.
I don't think he's done much wrong. However he needs to be told ''A shut mouth catches no flies''. If Kenny has any sense he will have a quiet word in his ear and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's only young. Kenny however shouldn't let it go completely unlike another manager whom I won't mention let it go when one of his players shot his mouth off. However that players mouth was shut firmly shut by the people that he shot his mouth off about. They beat him and his team to a pulp in their own back-yard. It was their biggest beating in 17 years.
Freedom of speech. Too much conspiracy about 9/11. Give the lad a break and hope he let's his football do the talking from now on
Totally disagree. Show the lad that it's not just what he says but also when and how. Freedom of speech is a fine phrase, it's one of our fundenental human rights. However, as with all rights, it is matched by a series of responsibilities. If nobody has taught Eccleston that so far then perhaps the club has to take that responsibility upon themselves.
"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters." - eh?
Well I agree. But not being the brightest spark should not preclude him the right to speak. It's up to the "brighter" sparks reading his posts to take them in the context of a 20 y-old footballer on a rant. There was no vice, hate or insult in his post. Let him get on with his life. A lot of supposedly brighter sparks believe a lot of much more ridiculous stuff but get revered for it instead. Perspective.
His first thought in his tweet was to pass on his condolences to the victims and their loved ones. Nathan Eccleston, a striker for Liverpool is under investigation after posting on Twitter his views on 9/11. The 20 year old player posted: “R.I.P all 9/11 victims my thoughts are with their family’s and all those that was affected by this tragic accident!” “I ain’t going to say attack don’t let the media make u believe that was terrorist that did it. #OTIS.” OTIS is said to stand for Only the Illuminati Succeed (isn’t that the name of Jay-Z and Kanye West’s single?). After receiving [...] And its only that he did start his tweet with those words of condolence that have probably saved him from a rougher ride about the whole thing.
So what are those responsibilities? Freedom of speech is okay as long as you're agreeing with me? No. Freedom of speech is not suspended on any given day. The anniversary was a day for the victims to mourn, and for the rest of us to respect that and perhaps offer a silent prayer or a moment of recognition, to remember. It was not however, a day where all rational debate, all functions and activity froze and we all wallowed in sadness and silence. On the anniversaries of Hillsborough do we shut up and not say anything about it? Do we ostracize anyone who mentions it? No, we are louder and more determined that day than ever to receive the truth. Because that day is important that our voices are heard. As such, the personal twitter of the lad is his own voicebox, not the voicebox of the club. He did, I believe, express his respect to the victims, but he asked for truth to be revealed. Now his theory may be flawed and not very intelligent, but there shouldn't be an outcry. Much as there won't be one when someone tweets "I can't believe people still think our fans caused the disaster at Hillsborough" "the police organization was criminally negligent and they should be the ones you blame. JFT96" on April 15th. We are scapegoating this young kid, who hasn't been involved in drunk driving or assault or drugs or many things affecting young footballers today to my knowledge. He expressed his political opinion, and his stupidity in a tweet on the day he felt it would be more intelligent and relevant to do so. I don't think he meant to hurt anyone either... His stupidity in believing the stuff he wrote is his own thing. We don't have to believe him. But we cannot punish him for it.
Every reference of his tweet contains "Liverpool" in the first sentence and this is meat and drink to the detractors of our club and our city,he alone made the comment and thats how it should have been seen and reported but he has inadvertantly dragged the clubs name through the mud with the bad publicity surrounding his words,its this that pisses me off.
Freedom of speech LMFAO The Media? Free to speak? Free to report on the truth? Unbiased? The first thing a new government does, or a new dictator in a coup is to take control of media outlets. Newspapers radio TV. Freedom of speech, yeah in the states, you can now protest in designated areas, like in a field in the middle of nowhere depending on what you are protesting about. G20, people's basic human rights to access to food and water DENIED for 7-8 hours, innocent worker murdered Mr Thompson, and not even a single charge of assault, never mind GBH or Manslaughter. Freedom of speech, copper backhand slaps a woman half his size for talking to him? Freedom of action? Movement? no no no, the illusion of choice is all we have while we are more and more squashed into smaller and smaller living spaces while the rich bastards and grabbing up more and more at our expense and hard work. With George Bush Jnr getting the presidency in the US it is a ominous sign that business money and power have nothing to do with politics what so ever, politics give us the impression of choice, governments as we have seen after this financial mess are just a face to the corporate world now and most politicians are lobbyists for corporations to change the laws to suit them. To name a similar entity in the not606 world, here's two,FIFA and UEFA. Corrupt rotten organisations.
