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Nathan Dyer

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by trundles left foot, Jun 30, 2015.

  1. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    It all depends on what Nathan sees as respect from the club. Is it respect to keep him as fourth choice if he'd rather play somewhere? Yes, Ayew can move infield (if Gomis, Éder, Emnes and Gylfi are all unavailable - which is firstly quite unlikely), but last season, when Montero was fit, we generally started Montero on the left and Routledge on the right. Routledge is most certainly ahead of Dyer for right wing as long as Montero is fit. Even if Montero is injured, Routledge moves left and Ayew still starts ahead of Dyer. He needs injuries to our first team players to play now unfortunately.

    If Dyer wants to be part of the squad and is happy to stay despite probably having very limited gametime in comparison to other seasons, then lets keep him. Despite him having a poor season last year, he has earned the offer and is a Swansea hero over the years. But if he wants to go and play regular football, it's most certainly a respectful decision to help him engineer a move away - he's earned that too if he wants it.

    To put it straight, he's earned the right to make the next decision for his career and for the club and fans to respect it. I guess much like Cech has done recently by moving from Chelsea to Arsenal.
     
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  2. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    I think it would be a big mistake if Monk was to let a key player like Dyer go..............<ok>
     
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  3. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    You have made a lot of assumptions there, have you been speaking to GM. I would like to think that he will pick on form and not reputation. Dyer at the start of last season was flying and people on here were wondering why he was nowhere near the England squad and now after half a season of poor form he is definitely 4th choice. Lets wait and see.
     
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  4. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    What assumptions have I made? I've looked at the facts from last season (i.e. Routledge started ahead of Dyer on the right when both were fit and Montero was LW). Dyer only had a run of games at the end of the season because Routledge was ruled out completely. And then I've looked at both sides of the coin when debating if he should leave or stay. It's Dyer's choice whether he leaves is what I'm saying. If he wants to go, he's earned the right to leave during his time here. If he wants to stay, he's earned the right to stay during his time here.

    As a football club, Huw Jenkins and Monk have stated in the press that they only want to buy players who can go straight into the first team. That is already public knowledge. I also want Monk to pick on form, but you realistically have to believe that when you bring in a player who's the highest earner at the club, he's going to start ahead of Dyer, at least for the first half season. If Ayew is flopping, then Dyer or, most likely, Routledge will get their chance.
     
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  5. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Dyer have a cracking start to the season, notching up about 4 or 5 goals in the first half dozen games? think he is at number 4 in our top scorers, surely we want to keep such an asset? It's my view that Monk has not handled Dyer correct last season, but to say that is being a tad picky with Monk.


    Has monk decided to jettison his old team mates? I do not like the way Monk has treated Leon or Nathan, these boys have been our best and top performers for many seasons, and they still have milage in them, Monk needs to afford them more respect............<ok>
     
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  6. Nosugarman1

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    In my 50 odd years of watching the Swans Leon has probably been my favourite player but time marches on as I well know.. It is GM's job to put out the best team he can on the pitch and he stands or falls by this. Old loyalties shouldn't come in to it and I don't think the fact that Leon and Nathan are not automatic choices any more is a sign of our progression and has nothing to do with lack of respect for these players.
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Yes leon and dyer have served us well but they wont be part of Swansea now and rightly so....You cant have sentiment in football or we would be asking for trouble. Im not saying kick them out im saying there are players now who are better and both will be down the pecking order. If they are happy not playing then if they want to stay then fine but if they want regular football then they will have to move on. the both players have seasons in them yet and there are clubs that will take them on, they will always be jacks if they decide to move or are forced to look elsewhere by monk and jinx.....Leon is studying for his coaching badges anyway so he has the easier decision to make...
     
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  8. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    I agree with what you are saying but we also shouldn't either just play someone as they are the highest earners as some on here would suggest. The side should be selected on how they are performing not what they earn.
     
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  9. Nosugarman1

    Nosugarman1 Well-Known Member

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    100% correct but the manager has to put out the team to get a result Some players have a great engine and can last 90 minutes some are better coming on as an impact player either to boost the attack or to close the game out and I see Leon being the latter this season with Nathan being the former.
     
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  10. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing this could be referring to me as I said "I also want Monk to pick on form, but you realistically have to believe that when you bring in a player who's the highest earner at the club, he's going to start ahead of Dyer, at least for the first half season."

    I'm not suggesting that we play players based on their wage packet as a golden rule. What I'm saying is that it's realistic to expect Monk to give Ayew in particular a good chance to gain some form considering the financial outlay we've spent on him this summer. What's the point in spending all that money if we're going to sit him on the bench? If it doesn't work out after 3/4 months, I fully expect Routledge to come in and take Ayew's starting spot.

    If last season's side was picked on how players were performing, I have no idea how Dyer got picked at all between October to April - it was certainly his worst spell for the club but Dyer was given a fair crack by Monk and was consistently picked ahead of Barrow despite consistently performing poorly. I expect Monk to afford Ayew the same opportunity on the right wing next season.
     
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