Name for next season

Let him come and out and commit to that then, if you're correct. But he hasn't, and you're not. He wants City dropped from the playing name.

 

While many people would probably prefer to stay as Hull City there are not many wanting to actively campaign - therein lies the problem for the protesters

AA is correct when he says a couple of hundred protesters or a few thousand signatures represent a tiny proportion of fans.

A well made point earlier was one around a question asking would you still support the team and attend matches if we were called Hull Tigers - there is no need to ask it as we all know 99% of people would respond positively.

If AA wants to change our name I think he will. When we have a new owner (Ehab or an other) I have no doubt we may revert back to Hull City if there is a groundswell of support for the name change

And what changes in that period we may be called another name? I don't think much changes - we play games, we call them City, we hopefully continue to perform well

 

Strange. Everytime I read or hear someone using the term 'silent majority' they always turn out to be a prick.

Think... Tax Payers Alliance; think... outraged in middle England; think... some spineless fat **** who believes their spite is somekind of noblesse oblige.

 

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

 

Those wise words are wasted on most on here I’m afraid Staniel.

Judging by this and other things I’ve read on this forum, I seriously wonder about what you could actually get away with doing to certain people before they’d actually protest about anything.

The motto for some on here:

“Protest is pointless.”

What a fine message that is for our children.

 

No.

The reason for this poll was Happy and Tubby in particular asserting that the anti-name changers are in a minority. This is to test that. It isn't about whether people would still go it's whether people are against the name change or not. The poll is almost perfect, the only flaw is that the second option is (I suspect deliberately) very vague in favour of that option because it isn't worded 'I want' but 'I wouldn't mind if'. Even despite that, the results show once again that those two particular posters are completely wrong.

You keep saying that and it keeps not happening. Are you expecting anything you say to turn out to be true any time soon? I've never seen someone claim to be in the know yet be consistently wrong as much as you. You've even eclipsed Hutch_Tiger on that front. I wonder what happened to that gagging agreement they were going to be forced to sign?

 

I'll repeat my point from this morning. In our daily lives we disagree with relatives and friends and don't worry about getting on their wick by doing so. Why are some people treating that differently with a stranger? If he's going to have a paddy because people don't agree with him, is he all he is cracked up to be?

 

Are you speaking on behalf of OLM, or CTWD or both?

Anyhoo, asserting that a minority of the members, on a forum which is also a minority of the whole support the club enjoys, are against the name change? You needed a pointless poll for that?

Dr A must be pissing himself at the thought of going up against you lot.

 

Of course he isn't.

When we got promoted people seemed to credit Allam with this success as much as the players.

Cardiff and Palace were both saved and had their fortunes turned around for the better by their respective owners in the same way we did before getting promoted, but their fans didn't give all the credit to the owners they credited their team and manager like any normal set of fans would. Here the owner gets more credit than the manager for some reason. Equally he's completely beyond question for some people, whereas the players and manager who've been brilliant for us aren't.

 

Interesting thread. I thought the question was fairly straightforward. Some strange reasons why people don't want to vote.

I presume anybody can create a poll so I don't understand why those that want different questions don't just do so.

Personally I think this week has been a sad week for Hull City. I think it has been self-inflicted and for what, the hope that Hull Tigers will bring in additional revenue from the far east sometime in the future. I think our name is worth keeping and will continue to campaign to keep it. But we need additional revenue to achieve what we and Assem Allam want. Yet all we do is bicker about whether the poll asks the right question.

 

Really, he didn't sound very happy when interviewed on national radio. I'll ask you a straight question. If you were thinking of sponsoring Hull City would that interview have had you reaching for your cheque book?

 

You posted that loads of times before the meeting, and it turned out that he didn't have a clue what he was on about, as many of us knew already. He didn't have some master plan to trick them all into agreeing to a name change nor did he force them to sign a gagging clause as another poster kept saying, in the same matter-of-fact manner you were. Allam in fact lost the serious debate to such a huge extent that he had to give a load of promises which he had no intention of keeping just to make them go away. They saw this as a success thinking he was an honest man and he would stick to his promises (as did I). We were all a bit surprised when he admitted he was actually a total liar of course, but I think it showed that the genius status you credit him with isn't quite right and he wasn't capable of 'running rings' around anyone at that meeting.

 

The point is you cannot ask people this question without context.

it'd 99.99% for keeping the name if there was no context.

The context is however, that the guy who:
-has rescued our club
-spent a ton of money
- helped create a good team and bring one of the best managers if not the best we've ever had
- gave us the Premiership so soon after almost going down
- essentially owns the club and therefore has a huge bargaining chip in his favour

is against keeping the name.

For some of us, that affects our answer. I still want to keep the name but this is not my choice to make as I don't own the club.

So I've voted to keep the name for the purpose of statistics. It may give a clearer picture of things but it won't change a damn thing.

I was somewhat supportive of CTWD group and wished them luck but now I feel that they make create more damage than fix any if they push on.

 

Also may I just point out that there should be a C option on the poll.

Because as far as I'm concerned there should be "all of the above"

The way these have been phrased allow someone to BOTH "want" to keep the name but also "not mind" if it is changed.

You don't always get what you want in life but it doesn't mean you necessarily feel the need to stop giving a ****.

 

That's a very weak stance in my opinion. You acknowledge that you don't like the idea and hardly anyone does, yet suggest you'd basically listen to any idea if it was offered by Allam even if you don't like it.

 

what do you not get about "not owning the club". Should I get a say in what car colour you get next?

PS: I don't give a **** about ****ing weakness. Is this campaign to embellish egos and look like heroes???

This is turning into match where both sides are wondering whether to call each others bluffs or not.

I can see this turning very ****ing sour. Call me weak if I'd rather get on with my life and watch football.

 

The context is Assem Allam has run out of money and is spending £11 million more than he will earn this season. Thats without buying a striker in January. He appears to not know the difference between the name of his company and the playing name of the team. Nor that he cannot just change it without the approval of the FA. He is in his 70s and we don't know how quickly his family will want the £66 million he's lent us back. Assemm Allam wants the club to be self-financing to enable to survive his death. His only proposal appears to be, change the name and hope for the best. Do you really think that the only barrier to sponsorship from Asia is our name? If they are not prepared to dip their hands in their pockets for The Tigers, do you think Hull Tigers will magically open their wallets?

As well as campaigning against the name change CTWD are looking at ways to bridge the financial gap and move towards us being self-financing.

 

So you want them out I'm guessing. Because everything you said points to that. If they have no clue about what they're doing then why aren't we asking them to **** off out of our city?? I mean surely that would make more sense than fannying about the name change?

ALLAMS OUT! DUFFEN IN!