So let me get this right. In your opinion: An 'exaggeration' of the effects of a challenge you feel was a foul, in order to make sure the ref saw it, deserves a yellow card? You'd ban players who 'exaggerate' too much? By what scale? A headbutt on a player still on the ground can be excused if the opposing player was 'exaggerating' the effects of a challenge? If someone gets kicked, and takes more than five seconds to get up, they MUST be subbed? What about cramp? THAT takes more than five seconds to clear. Would you sub them as well, in case they are faking it? You'd not allow treatment of anyone on the pitch, unless they then get subbed? Really? What if all three subs have been made. And someone gets injured, but not to the point they can't carry on, but can't get off the pitch without SOME treatment. And does this apply to goalkeepers as well, who have always been treated on the pitch? As I said - good job YOU'RE not overreacting mate, because by your stated rules, that leads to a ban!
Waiving cards at the ref used to be a yellow, its looks like they stopped booking them and everyone is doing it now. No sympathy for pepe, he's one of he biggest actors of them all.
Any exaggeration gets a ban, any choosing to go down gets a ban. That wasn't a headbutt, it wouldn't have knocked a toddler over? They must make an attempt to get up, they dont stop hockey matches unless the player is knocked out, guess what, players get us even with broken legs because they aren't pussies. What injuries would keep a player on the ground that aren't serious? Players would get up quickly if they knew it would mean they are down to 10 men. I'm not overreacting, cheating and diving has been the number one problem in football for decades. In the NHL, they take off both players in that situation or more likely just Muller.
CRAMP. As I said above - that's not a five-second thing. So much to talk about in this post, but lets just stick to: What I'm most interested in is who gets to determine - immediately, from a distance, and without the benefit of video replays - whether someone is over-reacting or not. The refs clearly can't do it, otherwise they would be sorting it out already. and there's nobody else that can. Unless you're putting your name in the ring for the job. In which case we may as well pack up, because there'll not be enough unbanned players to make up a team. And "Anyone choosing to go down gets a ban"? Really? I think you might want to re-read that bit.
Its simple, anyone moving about while down is acting. Anyone who doesn't need treatment is acting. Its so easy to spot players choosing to go down. There's only twice in 15 years of playing where I went down and couldn't get back up, once when I cracked my ribs and another when I got a karate kick and thought I'd broken my legs. I'd have been happy to come off both times if it meant diving was eliminated even though I was able to carry on after several minutes. All they have to do is say make an attempt to get up or get on your hands and knees. Diving and cheating could be eliminated in so many ways, physios on during play would stop acting dead too, especially if they have to go off and are only allowed back on in a break in play.
I really think you're oversimplifying it, Flyer. It's not a binary situation. And trying to apply a binary solution to a complex situation will never work. You can't apply the rules of a sport as violent as professional ice hockey to any other sport. And (with respect) it's a bit stupid to try. The underlying situations are vastly different. It would be like me saying that the same level of punishment that applies to snooker should also apply to ice hockey. It's similar, in that the players all carry sticks, but would you want to be banned from the Stanley Cup for not wearing a tie?
You can apply it, if anything they should take a softer stance as its a much more violent sport. How many serious injuries have we had in the WC? None yet we have 5-10+ players every game faking getting hurt every single game. The worst injury I've seen so far is a hamstring which he could have got off the pitch himself Players are 99% likely to be faking injury.
Thank you for proving my last post, Flyer. Altidore was clearly injured, he wasn't lying prone and immobile, and he could in no way get himself off the pitch unassisted. By your rules you'd be carding him and banning him. Well done for that blinding piece of common sense....
No it was obvious he'd done a hamstring, by my rules he'd have to be subbed which he would have anyway. There was obviously no acting involved. That proves it would work.
But he was rolling around the floor in agony, making no attempt to get up or get off the pitch. You just said above "...anyone moving about while down is acting..." and "... They must make an attempt to get up..." By your rules, he's acting.
Way to miss the point, there wasn't even any contact here so its obvious he wasn't trying to get anyone sent off through acting plus he didn't carry on so was obviously hurt anyway. I don't even remember if he was rolling around. Unlike muller who went down to try and get someone booked.
You never made that distinction before. You've never brought "trying to get someone sent off" into your position until now. You've never even hinted at "playacting to get someone sent off will be a booking / ban". You're changing the goalposts, which can only be an indication that you're aware of the precarious position you've backed yourself into. I repeat from earlier. On the World Cup scale of playacting, Muller scored no more than a 3.5/10. Pepe will see much worse than that every week playing for Real, both amongst his team mates and his opponents. We've seen far worse this tournament. But nobody remembers them, because the defender didn't then go mental and butt them.
[video=youtube;JFnSbDGtel0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnSbDGtel0[/video] He's rolling around? Really? He literally does not move which enforces my point even further. Injured players do not roll around.
And if I find a YouTube video of a player who IS injured rolling around? Will you change your tune? No. It's not binary, even if you can't think beyond 1's and 0's. Sorry Flyer, but you're wrong, this ISN'T the way to stem playacting, and you are over-reacting every bit as much as the players you are castigating. Oh, the irony in that..... Anyway - back to work now. Enjoy the rest of the tournament. I hope you don't see anything that offends your slight sensibilities, mate.
Find me one in this WC and I will change my mind. You've made stuff up and said altidore rolled around, he didn't. The only serious injury we've had and the player stayed still, all the fake injuries have had the players rolling around, funny that.
Oh - just THIS tournament? What about next season's Premier League - are you OK with playacting then? You're being very specific there Flyer. I really believe you've not thought it through. Rule changes just for one tournament? Not even FIFA would be so corrupt as to suggest that...
No, I'm just pointing out one instance in thousands of games won't mean its wrong. Of course that's even if you can find one without making it up like you did with altidore. I can find 5 plus instances in every WC game to prove me 100% right.
I'm bemused anyone can defend Muller's blatant cheating. Obviously Pepe has a screw loose but if Muller doesn't cheat there's no issue.
Didn't make it up - was working from memory. Please don't start getting personal by accusing me of lying. I'm sure that's not what you intended to do there. You're still wrong, however, if you assert that booking anybody who falls over and then either moves, stays off their feet for more than five seconds, or doesn't crawl off the pitch is the way forward. Nor is preventing physios from coming onto the pitch to tend to a potentially injured player the solution.
Pepe has a history of losing it for the slightest thing. The ref didn't whistle, nothing was going to happen. Then Pepe saw red, both emotionally and then literally. All his own fault. Muller looked like a tit, but he didn't cause Pepe's dismissal, that was all his own work.
