Not giving me much to work on with the restrictions about money and the need for stability but he has a wealth of football knowledge and experience based on his ability shown at building PNE and then Everton into much better clubs. I notice you also have chosen to leave out the horrendous injury list we have had to battle all season. As a comparison to your views about failing in his last two jobs what have Mourinho and Ranieri done in theirs after spending heavily?
He really isn't. It's a complex club fella. Things aren't really as simple and black and white as you're making out here. Especially when it's complex. When a squad needs double the investment it actually gets every window for 5 or 6 seasons and add the 6 managers in that time and the culmination of £160m of debt only a fool would point their finger at the latest man in charge. and what do you know? The Swansea thicky posts that and the Mag thicky likes it. Stupid ****s.
He's spent over £30m - granted it probably still was not enough however he's signed Papy, Ndong for decent money and they've both been failure's up to this point. Same for Gibson and Oviedo - Gibson's legs have gone and Oviedo had one good game Vs. Palace. So your answer to the question was that he has a 'wealth of football knowledge' - vague statement and anyone who plays Football Manager on a laptop can have that. 'Ability shown at PNE and Everton' - ability shown 10+ years ago, and hasn't shown anything since. Also not entirely sure what you're eluding to with the Mourinho/Ranieri comment? Are you saying that they've also been failure's this season as well? I'd be inclined to agree to a certain extent.
He's got to go - he has the look of a man who will not be successful at SAFC. We should then go to get Sam back or Tony Pullis. Bart
Couldn't give a **** if he stays or goes to be perfectly honest. We're gone with or without him. I don't think we'll get back up with him. I don't think we'll get back up with someone else. Six months after they're hired we'll be calling for their heads too. The club is being run into the ground and that goes way back before Moyes came on the scene. To be clear I think he's a useless sack of **** and would love to say sack him... But we'll simply hire another useless sack of **** who doesn't get the support he needs from the owner and fail again. It used to be depressing, now it's just boring. No interest in football at the moment. Why keep going back for disappointment after disappointment? Maybe some would consider me a bad fan. I'd disagree, I'd say I'm sane and don't want to give that constant river of **** a moment's thought.
I think we're all well aware that Ellis Short is the root cause of all of our problems. I personally would just like to see someone in charge who was at least attempting to make the best of a bad situation. Allardyce wasn't perfect and I never expected him to polish the turd that is SAFC but at least he was attempting to roll the thing in glitter. Moyes, on the other hand, is wafting the stink around and standing there with a sign that says "LOOK AT THIS BIG STEAMING PILE OF ****"
Once we are down SACK HIM. he is basically a pile of ****e who has drag us down. Technically inept and the personality of a frog. The only reason I don't want him gone now is. We would panic and replace with the wrong person
Obviously no one's gonna take the job now, at the bottom 8 points adrift with 8 games to go, so sacking him now makes no sense. The way you go through managers, I assume that if Short has any brains then he must put some severance clauses into the contracts these days - i.e. compensation reduced if you get relegated, and even further reduced if you finish bottom.
I am not normally a one to say get rid of managers as we have had far too much of that over the years. However, the negative tactics deployed by Moyes, where he has set teams up to stop the other team scoring rather than actually try and win games, has made me reluctantly vote for him to be sacked. Having said that, he and the team will have my full support at games regardless.
Anyone fancy meeting up for a pre match beer, I'm meeting a mate in the Lambton Worm before the Man U game. I should be in there about 11ish.
Play all the word games you want and carry on interpreting what I say anyway you want, but this is becoming totally boring now. You now need to go back to your original statement about his failures regarding the other two managers as all three fit the template of your claim of Moyes's past failures.
I blame our friends to The North for the mess we are in. Were are well in the SH1T mainly because we have not received our annual gift of 6 point from them. I said when they got relegated that it would cost us. This is N/C's real revenge. And I voted to keep him. I don't see him as the one to carry the blame for being our 7th(?) Manager in as many years, (it's hard to keep track of them). All but Big Sam have failed and each replacement has been denied the time to put things right. The current business model is an unmitigated failure. So lets try something new, STABILITY, and GIVE THE MANAGER TIME.
As I said in a previous post, the underlying problems are the ownership and the business model and I recognise the need for stability. However, I'd like to ask those that back Moyes why they think he is the man to bring that stability. What is it you see in him? For me, he has clearly demonstrated that he is no longer the manager he was at Preston or Everton. He has shown no sign of having any ideas, his signings have been poor, his tactics have been poor, his comments to the press have been bizarre and in many instances haven't reflected what happened on the pitch. Its too easy to say he's lacked money or he's "been dealt a tough hand"- he hasn't shown any sign of getting the best out of his admittedly poor squad. I know this question has been asked before, I've asked it myself, and I apologise for going over old ground but I am genuinely interested in what you see in him.
Are there anybody still backing him though? World of difference between backing a manager and backing a decision to break a cycle. I back the decision, wish it wasn't Moyes. Does that mean I back him? Whoever is in charge is irrelevent to for Short's plan anyway. Moyes will fall by the wayside eventually. Probably to new owners who'll want their own man. "Every week he gets cheaper to sack than the week before, so why sack him when it's not necessary and an unneeded expense and makes no differance to my plan to strip back the club to recoup as much of my investment as possible' is what Ellis will be thinking. Why sack a manager when he only thing Short needs is for 'anybody' to be in charge to execute his plan? If anything, if the players don't like Moyes it's further incentive for them to leave so helps cut the wage bill for Short. I would say it's less people backing Moyes and more people realising it's become irrelevant to Short's plans for the club.
Yours is a fair question, and, unsatisfactory as it is, my answer is that it's because he is the man in charge. I'd have said the same about most of his predecessors. (We could do worse. Remember Mick Buxton. Nice man out of his depth in The Championship). While I can not deny the logic in your assessment of him either, I do feel he picked up a poison chalice when he came here. So many before him had started off building a squad and been sacked that what he inherited was a squad with little logic to it and no money for a quick fix. Once we are down there can be a mass clear out and, hopefully, ambitious, promising younger player brought in, to start the new rebuilding. Remember we also seem to have a decent crop of youngsters just about ready to graduate from The Academy. The present may look black but perhaps I can see 'a bright dawn over a far horizon'
Thing about Moyes he has had pretty much unwavering fan support but he hasn't really delivered anything consistant, other than negativity, his decision making is embarrassing and the slapping shenanigans are well outlined in a piece by David Preece in tonights Sunderland Echo (on facebook). Yet as discussed on other posts we now have a feeder league team with a feeder league manager - I'm starting to get really angry and sadly embarrassed BUT am not walking away from my team - we will recover
