I’ll happily blame the players and management too...I’ve said it often they don’t have/didn’t have the minerals. However...like I said in another post...every conversation leads back to ENIC because a stronger squad when we have been on the cusp of greatness...help from the owners...let’s not forget Poch wanted players but didn’t get them either at a massive crossroads in our on field history. Therefore managers not being given the tools to see jobs through lead me back to ENIC I was just congratulating us all on some beautiful football and 1 trophy in that time because It popped up in my head...I won’t make it about ENIC...it’s about JM
Our last cup win was so enjoyable when coming from behind. I remember just sitting and soaking it all in. Never expected 12 years to go by without another. We are Spurs for goodness sake!
It all seems so weird,all of this season. Let's clear the decks for next season and see if it's all just bullcrap from Jose and Daniel or are they just wanting to make money at the fans expense?
It’s just been the result of poor plan planning I’d say, Smithy. From the board to the previous manager. Jose hasn’t helped himself either with certain decisions but ultimately he walked into a **** show, managed to grind out some much needed wins but now without our two best players any hope of top four, possibly even top six, is now highly unlikely. We’ve allowed too many players to peak and then decline whilst not replacing vital squad positions either that’s now having a major impact for the worse. I really hope that Jose gets a large backing in the summer though, we need Levy to clear the decks as you say, shift all of the deadwood at any price (no stinginess!) and then bring in what Jose wants.
For only the second time in my 46 years as a Spurs fan I am in favour of sacking the manager...**** tactics, **** defending, **** attitude and a **** manager. 22 games and we have conceded 2 or more goals 11 times and have only kept 2 clean sheets. And the football is painful to watch...we are drab and boring most of the time
For as bad as Jose has done at times, sacking him isn’t going to solve anything until 75% of these players **** off and I’m leaning more and more towards Levy joining them. Whilst I expected Jose to at least have us organised, how can any of us honestly expect much with Toby, Jan, Aurier, Rose, Davies (not the same since 2017 injury), Dier, Winks, Wanyama, Lucas, Dele and Lamela all being utter dogshit? I’m still happy to give Jose the benefit of the doubt - even if I’ve been hugely unimpressed for the most part - because he really is having to work with a load of tripe. I don’t think he realised just how bad this squad was (did we even?!) when he first joined but we’re seeing why Poch failed and we’re seeing why Jose is failing, these useless ****s - and I really mean ****s - can **** right off. I’d rather lose every other game from now with the academy playing than see any of those listed above play again.
1. Lamela, Davies and Wanyama are broken so while I agree we need upgrades I do not have an issue with them as they behave professionally and tbh only Davies seems to start games. 2. Alderweireld was offered a new contract on mega money by Jose...there are not enough s to do this decision justice. 3. Rose should have been told to **** off 2 and a half years ago after that interview...it is a shocking indictment of modern football that the money grabbing self centre twat was rewarded with games against Real Madrid, Barcelona etc and a CL final. 4. Jose continues to choose Dier, Aurier, Dele and co while leaving Skipp out in the cold. 5. Jose waits until we are losing before making changes, continues to start Dier, plays Lo Celso in stupid positions, pisses around with the back 4, plays Aurier week in week out. Pochettino and Levy clearly made mistakes but Jose is supposed to be a top manager and no top manager should be staring Dier alongside Winks. No top manager should be offering Alderweireld a long term mega money contract and no top manager should be out thought in most games or in big parts of most games. Maureen is no longer a top manager and the sooner he leaves the better. It took Pochettino 15 months to sort out the mess left by AVB and Dim...It took Martin Jol 18 months to sort out the mess left by Bloke in a coat, Hoddle and Santini and it took Redknapp 10 months to sort out the Ramos mess... I fear that the next manager will need at least 18 months to sort this car crash out and as Maureen clearly isn't that manager then the sooner he goes the better. Edit...Levy is responsible for the mess cos he has yet agsin chosen the wrong man for the job.
1 - Professionalism is an expectation. That’s a basic requirement for anyone in any line of work. Ultimately in football if you’re not good enough or too injury prone you should be binned. 2 - Daniel Levy handles contract negotiations. Jose may have helped Toby‘s choice in signing (stupidly) but he isn’t in control of those negotiations, just like Poch wasn’t. 3 - Of course. Everyone knows this and I think Jose soon realised that. Unfortunately Poch didn’t. 4 - I agree and this is a part of the selection issues I have with Jose but to be brutally honest, with Skipp for Dier aside, the alternatives aren’t overly appealing (hence why I’d just sack most off and play the academy for now, results won’t be worse). 5 - Same as Poch. Mourinho has walked into a huge cluster ****. Pochettino and Levy left us in a diabolical mess that is becoming more apparent as the weeks go by. Poch became too loyal to this squad whilst Levy took a back seat. It’s resulted in this squad having highly paid, yet stale or declining players littered throughout. Whilst I expected more organisation from Jose, as well as better decisions in areas, it really doesn’t matter who is in charge of this as you’re only going to be served **** on a plate. Klopp’s Liverpool were poor in the first couple years, some even labelling Klopp a flop, five and a bit years later with his own squad he has a Champions League, Super Cup, Club World Cup and a soon to be Premier League to his name. I don’t expect Jose to have anywhere near that level of success but we must give him time to get his own team. Pochettino also got his own team. To sack Jose off after getting just two of his own players, three if we include Tanganga’s promotion, would be silly.
Most of us on here knew moaninho wasn't the right appointment ...now were proved right, he ain't got a clue,he's just cost us **** loads of dosh on failing to qualify for champions league and his bloody wages ffs .most newly appointed managers start with the defence first, if you don't concede you don't lose, how many goals have we conceded since he has been in charge....just go jose and don't come back
Top four was gone in November when Poch left us about 14 points behind. We may have actually gotten there under Jose if Son and Kane had remained fit, losing them both at the same time has killed this team. They could paper over the huge cracks we have at the moment but without them the cracks are there for all to see. Jose hasn’t been great but he’s not cost us Champions League football for next season. Injuries and poor planning from the owner and former manager has.
1. I agree but imho the rest on your list are not behaving professionally...I was simply drawing s distinction between the two groups...I think we fo need to upgrade on them but I will remember them fondly ... could put Vertonghen in that list too...but not the others. 2.If jose had said no to Alderweireld he would not have got the contract...no top manager should have wanted to keep him. I agree about Levy negotiating but (playing devils advocate) can you imagine the reaction if Levy had said no to Jose's wish to keep him? 3. Too many fans still backed the prick...his name was constantly sung at games until earlier this season while plsyers like Winks were given dogs abuse during the same games. In my view this sdded to the pricks arrogance. And in fairness to Maureen he dealt with him by telling him to go. 4. I agree re blooding youngsters...could show who is capable of making the step up when nothing rests on it. I certainly ain't defending Pochettino as he made a lot of mistakes but my issue is that Maureen was the wrong replacement, remains the wrong replacement and will always be the wrong replacement.
Yeah but we have a new shiny soulless stadium and a great training ground and ENIC makes money, this is all so much more important than winning trophies and being enjoyable to watch.
Sorry mate I disagree jose and his tactics and his team selections and formations have done us big time,all the other clubs have been ****ing up in trying to get top 4 and the so called special one has managed to top that by being clueless.
1 - Some I’ll wish well, especially Super Jan, the list of players I mentioned aren’t restricted to one reason why they should go though. Some are either not good enough whilst some are too prone to injury which makes them useless. 2 - He probably thought he could get the old Alderweireld back. Similar to how he thinks he can get the old Dier. He hasn’t and I think he’s beginning to realise it and it’s why I want him to have his own team. 3 - I think - rightly or wrongly - some just get attached to long serving players and allowed sentiment to blinker their views with Rose. Safe to say though 99% would rather his loan at Newcastle become permanent. Winks gets abuse because he’s poor, I think too many try convincing themselves he isn’t due to their sentiment towards him being an academy lad and Tottenham fan but reality is he struggled to make the XI of most sides in the top ten. 4 - Yeah that’s my view too. They literally can’t do any worse than some in this team. I’d rather lose games experimenting with them than persisting with overpaid nonsense.
Re winks...I think discussions in person and on sites like this are very different to giving a player **** during a game. I can not stomach Rose but never gave him **** at a match...that helps no one on the day.
Poch left us 14 points behind prior to his sacking. When we beat Villa we went 1 behind, then Son got injured and joined Kane - season over for us basically. I get a portion of our fanbase find it hard warming to him but we were very much on course to claw our way back In to a CL spot under Jose, even if it wasn’t pretty but when you take out 50+ goals worth of talent out of a team it kills you. Thanks to Poch and Levy, we don’t have a Llorente (or similar) to call upon.
I don’t think Winks gets any more **** than others at games. Fans will groan if he does his usual crab-like pass but that’s par for the course. I hear people in the crowd say **** about Dele, Aurier, Davies etc. Players will get abuse from portions or individuals but in terms of the crowd in general I don’t think any player has ever received an obscene amount, we’ll except Ghaly
