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Monk! Dead man walking

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Sbulby, Apr 6, 2014.

  1. gendrosjack

    gendrosjack New Member

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    Sorry I totaly disagree with the bit about him showing promise DB, and you omitted that Monk is a poor influence running with tittle tattle to the chairman. His man management is questionable, publicly slating one of our most consistent performers Angel Rangel to cover his own arse was terrible.
     
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  2. Stereo

    Stereo Well-Known Member

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    Poyet had built himself a good reputation, however he's had most of the season to sort Sunderland out but they are going down - possibly bottom of the PL. Glad we didn't have him.
    There are no guarantee's that any manager will be a total success.
     
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  3. Norway-jack

    Norway-jack Well-Known Member

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    Monk would have had the best audition for the job,so far he has failed. It will be about 17 games when the season is done and he shall be judged on those overall,problem for me is that failiure to compete with palace,WBA and hull with a fully fit squad probably means that he doesn't have the nous for the job.

    You need a lot more than honesty and graft in the premier league,in fairness to laudrup I don't think I ever saw him out thought in a second half of any game ,including against the top teams ,it's the small differences that make the big difference in the prem league.

    Monk ain't got it,he bladed Sousa and laudrup and I can't help but think that what goes around comes around,which may explain a few under par performances from the players of late.

    I wish Garry all the best and hope he can keep us up, but like I have said from day 1 ,if we stay up it will be inspite of him not because of him and that says it all.
     
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  4. Bob the slob

    Bob the slob Well-Known Member

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    True

    But I would say he's tried turning donkeys into thoroughbreds, we have the system and (mostly) the players to carry it off.

    Whoever comes in needs to be able to, or have staff who are able to, get all our players to improve what they already do well - pass and move.
    What I've seen since Rogers left is a decline in the quality of movement off the ball which limits the passing options and is easy to defend.
     
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  5. Norway-jack

    Norway-jack Well-Known Member

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    Poet is a no for me, comes across as a bit of a knob and failed to get a good Brighton side into play off final ,turned us down a couple of times also so fook him ! ;)
     
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  6. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Non starter if you know anything about the club, Just accept that monk will be the manager regardless of any rumors and you wont get your knickers in a twist. You can name anyone for the job and you would be wasting your breath and that's the way it is im afraid. Its a pointless discussion as we know who the manager will be next season however much you try and convince some that he wont be....I and thousands of others are happy with jinks and the boards decision and that who,s opinions matter at the end of the day...
     
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  7. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    I agree with the lack of off the ball movement , no one seems to create space to receive the ball whens its moved on , hence we slow the play down due to limited options going forward , we end up seeing return passing between two players, this is frustrating to watch when there is space available ,I know it is a lot easier to view things like this from the stands but these are professional players coached professionally ,it's as if their afraid to make a decision whereas previously our "triangles ' created opportunities both defensively and as an attacking option.
     
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  8. Dragonborn

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    Well, I'm not a fan of Monk but we've hardly been thrashed since he took over have we? Games have been pretty close. The guy's been thrown into the deepest end of football management before he's ready. So yes, some promise but for the future, not now. Let's hope the Board agree.

    As for Rangel, he is consistent going forward but has a dreadful tendency to lose the ball up the field and then look like he's towing a concrete block when he tries to get back. His 'defending' for that goal against Hull was shocking. But I agree with your point that Monk should not have spoken out publicly in his criticism. It was unprofessional, just as his swearing on the touchline was. He has a lot to learn and has enough about him to just get us over the line imo but isn't a long term answer.

    That's my view and although I respect others' views I fail to see how anyone can be happy with his efforts so far.
     
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  9. gendrosjack

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    Dai you have never been right before and you are going to get egg on your face again with this one. Same as you slagged off Brendon Rodgers and now he's the best thing since sliced bread with your No1 team. If the Swans listened to you we would be in Div 2. Your not going to be around next year so why are you bothered?
     
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  10. BobbyD

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    Dai how do you feel now that you're lover boy Monk is proving himself to be a bigger failure that Laudrup.

    To take a leaf out of your book as well. As for I and BILLLIONS of others, we'll be upset when Jenkins hires Monk and ruins a fashionable club like Swansea
     
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  11. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    The only reason we haven't been thrashed has been because the opposition has been as poor as us in putting the ball in the net .From total domination in the 1st half to abject surrender in the 2nd in a number of games shows the lack of tactical nous ,which is not his fault but he's the man in charge who wanted the job otherwise he'd have declined the invitation.He wasn't thrown in , he choose the jump in with both eyes open
     
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  12. ValleyGraduate12

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    If you take Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal before Ramsey got injured out of the equation, this season for me has the been the poorest season I've seen in terms of teams finishing off their chances. It might be the richest league in the world, but the quality throughout has seriously declined.
     
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  13. Dragonborn

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    I agree Valley.

    I'm not suggesting he didn't willingly take the job. Of course he did. If you read my post I'm not defending Monk at all, quite the opposite. We got a great result in the local derby and almost beat Arsenal away, neither of which imo would have happened under Laudrup the way things were going. That's why I said he shows some promise.

    But I agree that we've also had some really poor results against teams we should have got something from. He's shown tactical naivety and questionable substitutions. I've hardly come across anyone who thinks Lita should be playing for us, for example.

    So it's not black and white imo. What we've seen so far tells us that Monk may have something about him but in no way is he ready for a job at this level - and I'll still say that in the unlikely event we'll get something on Sunday. For me, he needs to do a lot more than that to win me over and I suspect I'm not alone. If we get decent results in all our remaining games I'll have a rethink.
     
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  14. Sbulby

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    Very unlikely that well get anything Sunday in spite of the Hard match Chelsea had last night. It took Pullis and Pepe Mel just 45 minutes to work us out and then tore us to pieces, what chance has Monk got of tactically outmanoeuvring Jose Mourhinio next Sunday, non existant I'd say.
     
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  15. Norway-jack

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    We just hope that the players raise their game, they tend to go up a notch when playing the big teams,something i find extremely annoying actually and adds to my frustration about our current plight,seems they put the effort in on the wrong games!

    I bet we get a point on sunday :)
     
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  16. roofjack_22

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    Soon as Laudrup was sacked this bad run was bound to happen , no matter who became manager . I didn't want Monk in only because I didn't want Laudrup out , nothing to do with Monk really . Now that Monk is there, I think he's got and will get lots of valuable expierence , during a lucky time, where other teams are also lacking results. Lot of knives out for Monk , lots of whispers but l actually hope he retains the job for next season , come what may or the following may.
     
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  17. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    What do you mean bad run was bound to happen? We were already in a bad run.
     
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  18. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    if he keeps us up then I could understand the decision he can't keep us up then why should he get the job ?
     
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  19. DragonPhilljack

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    Annoying is an understatement, it means they can do it when they want, and that's another reason why we need a new broom, Monk would be taken for a ride by this lot next season if he got the job, but I can assure all regardless of Dai's rants, that Monk is not getting the job!...............<ok>
     
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  20. roofjack_22

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    Sorry valley , a bad run was bound to happen against a better fixture list and a healthier team regardless of who came in . I think under the condition of non injuries and playing "non top " teams , if Laudrup stayed , there is no telling how far better we would be now . Most know now the blunder the board made , which will carry over to next season ... historic stuff , and not the goodstuff.
     
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