Monk confirmed

Harsh very harsh..... but true.

 

What is our identity though ?

We also need to be progressive,standing still at the top table wont work, under all managers we have seen our style of play progress or aspects of it improve, so what will monk try and bring ?

Anyway time will tell but if he thinks he will be a success by copying and pasting from previous managers i feel he will get found out.

Im sure Garry has his plans to take us forward,least i hope so.

Good luck to him in his new job,maybe now that he has it official he can make tough decisions but i get the impression he wasnt shy of doing this while he was in temp charge.

Pep is his asistant i believe, does that mean our plans for the director of youth have now been shelved ? are will this be a job given to one of our former players ?

Interesting times , be interesting to see how we do in the transfer market, i got a feeling we will spend money this summer to help soften the blow and to ensure garry is given the best possible chance to succeed .

 

We could have gone out and got OGS or Pepe Mel or Felix McGath because they all have Premier League experience. They're all European too. There's even a bit of pedigree in there.

And what's it all mean?

Cock all! Relegation, relegation and probable relegation. We were mostly expecting that Gus Poyet could have been our next manager as well. Almost and could still be relegated.

Is Garry Monk the best manager in the world? No.
Is he the best manager out of a job and looking to come to the PL? Nope.
Is there any tangible reason to say he is the wrong guy for us? Also no.
Any manager is a gamble these days. If he takes us down, the believers were wrong and the doubters were right. If we stay up, the converse is true.

I guess it's just the right time to sit back and be glad that we have a summer with no managerial merry-go-round on our doorstep and maybe Monk will cut the dross and bring in some quality where it's needed.

Some people have mentioned a lack of contacts. Well he knows the managers at both the Liverpool clubs who both play our style of football. Maybe that'll help.

 

Knowing a club guarentees nothing and rather than looking at this appointment through rose tinted glasses. I am looking at it from the only information we have and that is how the side has played under him and that is poor. I hope he suceeds but feel he wont. Will i get behind him yes of course i will. But, as you are I am entitled to my opinion and i just dont get this heknows the club Bollox. If it is about knowing the club then Curtis should have been given the job.

So tell me then what badge qualifications he has. If he was preparing for this surely he would be up to scratch on his Uefa qualifications.

You are obviously happy with his appointment. I however am not. I think our club has taken the cheap easy option.

Will he fail or suceed only time will tell, if he does I will hapily eat Humble pie, If he doesnt there will be no gloating as i actually want him to suceed.

I hope you are right about nt needing an overhaul. I feel we maybe needing at least 6 or 7 players this year. Lets hope he is up to building a team.

By the way maybe my post does stink of panic. that is simply because i am panicing about what is to come next season.

I may be on my own here but I am so disappointed by this appointment.

 

Oh goodee!!! Really enthusiastice for the coming season NOT!!! He will get my full support as always but not convinced one little bit with this. Think we will struggle next season.

 

I'm not over-the-moon with his appointment, I'm content and optimistic. Curtis doesn't want the job, so may I ask what the point was in bringing him into the conversation? Knowing the club does matter, if you think it doesn't you're sadly mistaken. It may not guarantee success, but it sure is part of the equation to success.

Rodgers has gone to Liverpool and completely immersed himself in Liverpool. Learning about the history, decorating his office in pictures and quotes from LFC's famous past, becoming a true ambassador for Liverpool as well as a manager. Why does he do this? Because he needs to know the club he's managing. Football clubs are not the same. Managing Liverpool is different to managing Manchester United. Managing Rangers is different to managing Celtic. When a manager knows a club - what style the fans expect, what the board expect him to do, how the local press react to certain things and knowing the journalists who write about the club, knowing the city and how to sell it to player prospects - then they have a much clearer picture of how to attain success. Monk doesn't need to learn any of this about Swansea, he knows it all inside out already.

Regarding Monk's badges - "It was an education Monk felt compelled to put to good use by enrolling for the A licence in June [2013], alongside the likes of Patrick Vieira and Sol Campbell, as part of a long-standing ambition to get involved in coaching." (ref: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/05/garry-monk-swansea-city-michael-laudrup). You don't enrol onto the A Licence if you haven't done everything else before it. Once he has it (if he hasn't already), he'll most likely need to attain his UEFA Pro Licence next season (something I hadn't realised).

 

Good job we've got Monk on a three year contract. Will give us a bit of security when the likes of Real Madrid come in for him.

 

Other than Bony and possibly Honjo who were board signings, what top talent did ML sign last season?

 

So we dont need to employ someone who knows the club then because as you have just said as Rodgers has done they can immerse themselves and learn the history of the club. So you have counteracted your own arguement.

fair enough obviously licences have been done and that clears that up.

 

Swans boss Michael Laudrup has declared his delight at capturing £12m striker Wilfried Bony from Dutch side Vitesse Arnhem.
The Ivory Coast hit-man finalised a four-year contract on Thursday to end Laudrup’s summer search for a top class striker to lead the line in the Barclays Premier League and Europa League.
“Everyone has been talking all summer about strikers,’’ explained Laudrup. “Well now it is done.
“It’s been difficult because everyone is looking to find someone special to score goals. When you do find them, other clubs want them as well.
“You have only got to look at Bony’s record last season (31 goals in 30 league games) to see that he is certainly someone who scores goals.
“It’s very simple; the most important thing in football is goals. Yes, you can be very good defensively, but if you don’t score goals then you can’t win games.
“In many games last season the goals were placed firmly on the shoulders of Michu. And while he did extremely well with 22 goals, you can’t put everything on the shoulders of one man, especially when he is not regarded as a centre-forward.
“Hopefully Bony, who is very powerful, will take the pressure off and score some of those goals for us, although I am still looking for everyone in the team to chip in.’’
Although Bony’s £12m arrival, plus potential add-ons, smashed the club’s £5.55m record transfer fee paid to Valencia for Pablo Hernandez last summer, Laudrup is still looking to add another striker to his ranks before the window closes on August 31.
“We are nearly there on bringing players in,’’ confirmed Laudrup. “I think we have made some very good signings over the summer, but I am still looking for one more striker who can offer us something different again.


Laudrup signing.

 

I picked Rodgers as he was one of our own previous managers. You obviously didn't make the connection. Very few managers go into clubs and immerse themselves, Rodgers is a rare breed.

 

I'm not at all happy with the appointment, but will give him my total support. However it's apparent that our dressing room is pretty fractured despite the press reports of players backing him for the job. GM needs to ensure not just Bony stays but also the likes of Dyer etc, GM needs to brush up on his mediation and man-management skills. Whilst i don't doubt his passion and commitment to the cause, GM also needs to be responsive and inclusive to the team and has to balance this with his aggression, so that quality players, don't feel frozen out

 

So why not find someone who will do the same. Makes no difference if he is an ex manager of ours. What you said was he went to liverpool and immersed himself in the History. So no need for someone who knows the club. Did Rodgers know ours, Laudrup, Sousa, Jacket. I give you Martinez did. so out of the last 5 managers 1 knew the club. So why is it so important. Or maybe the other managers didnt manage any success with our club.

 

The debate on whether Monk should be given the managers job has rumbled on for months, but now that he has been given the opportunity to lead the club forward I will support that desicion. My biggest concern is that the board has overlooked the views of the majority of swans fans in making this appointment, so should this decision backfire then surely HJ should resign as Chairman. Unlike most other chairmen HJ is an employee of the club with a salary of £250,000 per year so surely he should carry the can.

 

Well, the problem lies within your own post. Laudrup and Sousa (2 of the managers on that list) were good managers, but were not interested in the Swansea lifestyle. This eventually became the undoing of both of them. Laudrup became more and more disinterested as time went on, and Sousa was never that interested in us, highlighted in his departure to Leicester (a decision he regrets greatly now).

Therein lies the problem. You can interview 100 managers for the Swansea job, but picking one that actually immerses himself in the culture and lifestyle of Swansea? That's harder. Since Martinez, we've hired 3 managers (excluding Monk) and only one 1 has truly grasped the role. That's a 33% success rate, not that great. Laudrup and Sousa were good fits for the club on paper, but in practice, they didn't truly get it. Despite both achieving relative success, both didn't have their eyes truly on the ball here.

I'll say it again that Swansea makes managers, managers don't make Swansea. If Garry Monk was managing anywhere else, I'd be laughing my head off at them. But not at Swansea. He gets us, and I know he gets us. Top 10 next season is achievable. I know we're agreeing to disagree here, and I'm not going to say "I told you so" if we have a good season, but this is the right appointment at this stage. It's stable, and Swansea has always worked best under stability.

 

I don't think Bony or Shelvey would have signed in Monk was at the helm. Big players want to play for big managers.

 

I understand that he gets us. But you have to be capable of doing the job. Maybe he will maybe he wont. I just hope in 6 months time I am not digging this out and saying I told you so. I will say again i will be 100% happy to be wrong with this.

As for Sousa and Laudrup. They didnt do to bad considering they are in the 66% of not being a success. Both took us to our highest places in the league and then we won our fist major trophy. Not bad for failure is it.

Ha ha I didnt read your post fully. so which one of us wont be saying I told you so. Lets agree to open a new thread in october and see which one of us will be eating humble pie. I hope it is me.

 

Shelvey wanted first team football and was shepherded to us via Rodgers and Allen's endorsements. Bony wanted a crack at the Premier League.

Big players want to play in the biggest leagues. When the top 4 don't come knocking, the rest will do.

Why did Medel, a seasoned international for Chile, who beat England, go and play for Cardiff under Malky Mackay? This is one example of many in the Premier League.

It's the league, not the managers that matter. Add in that we're into our 4th season, established, and in our worst season yet have still comfortably survived without ever being touted for relegation by football pundits, and that we're world reknowned for playing good football, we would probably have a decent chance of signing some great players even if the Chuckle Brothers were our new joint managers.

 

Maybe the idiot down the road was the only one to pay a piss poor fat central midfielder the amount of money he wanted. It is not only the PL is it. It has a little bit to do with the amount of money we as a league pay.

I do worry though that if a player has a choice of 2 or 3 PL clubs GM wouldnt be the pull compared to some managers. But time will tell.

 

I think we're all nervous about his appointment, but the fans are the least qualified people to have any input in this decision. Even if you just used this board as a macrocosm of the opinion of the fans, you'd have no idea who knows best/most/least/nothing!