Daily Racing Thread Monday 9th. Oct. 2017

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rudebwoy said:
hacked up in heavy ground at leicester , now on poly track , two very different surfaces , could hack up again but is no value , so look elsewhere for proven poly track performers whose yard / horse is in form -- just my opinion !

st malo at 10/1 fits my criteria , good luck whatever you do
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there was the forecast and tricast if uncles was put in !!
 
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Ron said:
Is Squire OK stick?
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He came back sound Ron. It's one of those cases where you almost wish something was obviously wrong as without that there doesnt seem a logical answer to why he was so desperately bad tonight. Michael said he might be one gallop short of full fitness but that was a below 50 performance.
Havlin said he made a slight noise but simply found nothing when asked, Beschizza said he was upsides our boy and he made a noise when asked for his effort. If he has a wind problem we have nowhere to go from here. Very hollow feeling tonight. I love the horse to bits and dont want to give up on him.
 
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stick said:
He came back sound Ron. It's one of those cases where you almost wish something was obviously wrong as without that there doesnt seem a logical answer to why he was so desperately bad tonight. Michael said he might be one gallop short of full fitness but that was a below 50 performance.
Havlin said he made a slight noise but simply found nothing when asked, Beschizza said he was upsides our boy and he made a noise when asked for his effort. If he has a wind problem we have nowhere to go from here. Very hollow feeling tonight. I love the horse to bits and dont want to give up on him.
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Very sorry to hear that stick. The problem with these wind ops is that they are not a one off solution. Once they have had one there is a high chance (could say certainty) that more will be required. I'm going from memory here but my wife knows a lot about them. I'll ask her in the morning
 
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Sir Barney Chuckles said:
I’ll be looking later to see the 5 day decs re the old ‘Cesarewitch’. In Alan King’s own words Coeur De Lion needs ‘a mass exodus’ to get into the big race (off 79) but lets hope it jolly well occurs, team! What, what?!?
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An exodus of sorts occurred as almost 30 dropped out followed yesterday’s entry stage. Coeur De Lion now stands at number 46 in the weights with, according to the ‘Racing Post’, only the top 34 getting in. You would have to say therefore that it’s highly unlikely, but not impossible, that Coeur De Lion will get in Saturday’s Ces.
 
stick said:
He came back sound Ron. It's one of those cases where you almost wish something was obviously wrong as without that there doesnt seem a logical answer to why he was so desperately bad tonight. Michael said he might be one gallop short of full fitness but that was a below 50 performance.
Havlin said he made a slight noise but simply found nothing when asked, Beschizza said he was upsides our boy and he made a noise when asked for his effort. If he has a wind problem we have nowhere to go from here. Very hollow feeling tonight. I love the horse to bits and dont want to give up on him.
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As I thought stick. We considered buying a beautifully bred horse in Ireland once but it had been hobdayed. On checking with the vet he confirmed they could be successful but in general only lasted about 18 months before needing a repeat. Didn't ask how many times it could be repeated as it was enough to put us off.
 
Ron said:
As I thought stick. We considered buying a beautifully bred horse in Ireland once but it had been hobdayed. On checking with the vet he confirmed they could be successful but in general only lasted about 18 months before needing a repeat. Didn't ask how many times it could be repeated as it was enough to put us off.
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He had to have the full tie back in January, his second wind op. There is nothing else to be done now regarding his wind.

Today he has very swollen and very sore shins. He suffered from sore shins as a youngster and it is usually a growing thing. It is most unusual in horses of Squires age and would tend to suggest that he is protecting himself from a pain somewhere else and putting extra stress on his front legs.
I personally feel that the back problem he has is worse than we have so far thought and that is why he isn't running his races.
The chiropractor will see him again tomorrow and I think will find a problem.
 
stick said:
He had to have the full tie back in January, his second wind op. There is nothing else to be done now regarding his wind.

Today he has very swollen and very sore shins. He suffered from sore shins as a youngster and it is usually a growing thing. It is most unusual in horses of Squires age and would tend to suggest that he is protecting himself from a pain somewhere else and putting extra stress on his front legs.
I personally feel that the back problem he has is worse than we have so far thought and that is why he isn't running his races.
The chiropractor will see him again tomorrow and I think will find a problem.
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You could well be spot on there stick. Back problems are things to be avoided rather than cured. We always had our horses' backs checked before major competitions and it's amazing how the start of a back problem can go undetected if not regularly checked. it would certainly effect his movement and/or cause pain when galloping. Amanda learned (from the back specialist) how to check for tightness in the back which was a useful thing to know.
 
Ron said:
You could well be spot on there stick. Back problems are things to be avoided rather than cured. We always had our horses' backs checked before major competitions and it's amazing how the start of a back problem can go undetected if not regularly checked. it would certainly effect his movement and/or cause pain when galloping. Amanda learned (from the back specialist) how to check for tightness in the back which was a useful thing to know.
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Wash your mouth out young man <laugh>
 
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Ron said:
You could well be spot on there stick. Back problems are things to be avoided rather than cured. We always had our horses' backs checked before major competitions and it's amazing how the start of a back problem can go undetected if not regularly checked. it would certainly effect his movement and/or cause pain when galloping. Amanda learned (from the back specialist) how to check for tightness in the back which was a useful thing to know.
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When horses make a noise in running it is always assumed that they have a breathing problem but I think they will make a noise if they pain from elsewhere too. I think that is his problem and we need to get to the bottom of his back problem.
 
I hope you get Squire sorted out stick, not nice to think the horse is running in pain. Hopefully something will show up that can be treated effectively <ok>
 
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Stick, I've thought Squire had fell out of love with the game on his last few runs, but if it is a back problem that would explain it. Who likes running with a dodgy back???!!!
I make noises when walking with a dodgy back, nevermind running!
I hope the vets, Michael and the team get it sorted out and get him back to his best.
One thing for sure....get him back and you're going to have a very well handicapped horse on your hands to go to war with next season.
Good luck fella, hope it all turns out well for you. I know you like this fella, and you've been very patient with him and run him on his merits. Hats off to you for that!
 
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