Mikel victim of racism via twitter

I have had the dialogue with Drogs before who seems to not know the history of his own club. I went to nearly all the London Grounds in the 80's / 90's - only two grounds stand out as really really racist in their chanting - and I mean racist chants that had nothing to do with black players and the play - things like 'watch your pockets all you whites - there ain't no black on the union jack' etc - Charlton (Thamesmead / Stephen Laurence / have you seen the graffiti in that part of london? Vile it used to say 'hang ******s' as you came into thamesmead station) and Chelsea.

The only two london grounds where I saw the National Front being sold big was West Ham and Chelsea.

A friend of mine - black - got coffee poured on his head and cigarettes stubbed out on his head in the old shed by his own fans.

Drogs is going to come on and tell me that I have a confused memory now.

JT is the latest in a long line of the same stuff from Chelsea.

 

The 80s and 90s still had lots of racism, but the vast majority has been stamped out. Granted it's still there, but in the near future it will hopefully be completely eradicated. We cannot control what's said on the internet though. Unsurprisingly the racists are idiotic enough to post from their actual Twitter account which has all their real information and from their own PC without the use of a proxy. If they were smart they would hide all that, but then again if they were smart then they wouldn't be racists.

What has the John Terry got to do with this though? He was found not guilty and every time people bring it up the rest of their argument loses credibility. The "it's obvious what he says" is a pointless retaliation as an educated judge didn't find it as obvious as you did, despite initially being in the belief that there was a case to answer for and dismissing calls for it to be thrown out.

 

Sad story but you'd find the same at many clubs. I was racially abused at a League 2 game just last season. Your friend was probably unlucky enough to be sat by a small section of our scumbag supporters

 

I guess the point is that if you look at Chelsea as a Brand - you tend to associate the Brand - with certain qualities - in your case - think chelsea - associate with racists. So when JT says something racists - which he admits - everyone else says typical chelsea... - I know this in itself is a form of prejudice - but it is the history of the association with Chelsea.

 

Agreed sadly

 

Here he is, could you please present the thread with evidence of me disagreeing with you? I merely had a pop at you for grouping me with these clowns simply because I'm a Chelsea supporter. I know full well we've had our complete donut fans behave in a despicable manner, but the fact is - we're not all ****ing racist as you so elegantly put.

 

Probably not the best of timing for this argument, but should we assume that all Liverpool fans are potential murderers because of Heysel? If a person murders someone and is a Liverpool fan, should we say "typical Liverpool"? And Terry never admitted to saying anything racist. In fact in real life Terry is an East London glory hunting United fan. His association with us is that he is one of our youth products, current players and the captain, but even if he were racist it wouldn't be down to his affiliation with Chelsea.

 

It's a sad state of affairs IMO when an individual is targeted by online trolls and it's used as a stick to beat clubs with. It seems generally speaking the days of principle over precedence are long gone.

You could and would find racist fans at any/every football club, it's just a way of life.

 

Of course and for you and the 99.9% of Chelsea fans who wouldn't dream of saying or doing anything racist it's unfortunate but you're let down by a larger minority than probably any other club and inevitably the club is tarnished by it more than any other.

 

Please pay no attention to LaLa. He's missing Tinky Winky and PO.

 

really? You haven't been to Scotland, Middlesborough, hartlepool, Blackburn etc. I would also say Millwall Wolves and Leeds are worse from my personal experience

 

prejudism is a way of life, the TV and media are full of aesthetic prejudism, you won't see a size 14 on page 3, you won't have someone with wonky teeth reading the news, it's just an extension of the same thing. Everyone is prejudiced in some way, who determines what prejudism is acceptable and what isn't. Adele wouldn't win X factor but Cheryl Cole would, even though Adele is the only one of the 2 that can sing.

 

Unusually I disagree, I have to agree with LF in that many other clubs are far worse. Leeds (as well as pretty much all Yorkshire clubs), Norwich, The North East etc are seemingly far worse than any London club I've come across bar Millwall.

I'm obviously biased but I've always found us to be more Cosmopolitan than any other club bar Arsenal.

 

I'm just calling it as I've seen it from my personal experiences. Now that you mention it Millwall are worse nowadays and Kenilworth Road was like watching a film of what football was like 25 years ago when we played them regularly up until a few years ago so I guess to say you are the worst for it was wrong, though it's inevitably more noticeable the lower down the leagues you go. I can't say I've ever noticed anything racist from Leeds or Norwich and we've played them more than most in recent years. Absolute scum in the case of Leeds though, naturally.

 

Understandable mate. Each of us have different personal experiences so can't blame you for that. Leeds are scum though as you say, Millwall even lower than that.

 

Hey DL

I have mixed thoughts on this as it is very, very rare to actually hear or be aware of overtly racial chanting or even undertones at Carrow Road, that is a thing of the past as far as I am aware. Having said that though, if someone told me Norwich does have a racist element among their supporters I would find it hard to disagree with you. I used to sit next to a mid 40's woman, originally from Londonderry (N Ireland) who would come out with racist comments sometimes but she would never say them out load. Whether or not she actually had a dislike for any ethnic minority or not I have no idea but she was consistent. Blacks, Chinese, Muslims would rarely be mentioned in a positive light, if ever - unless he was a Norwich player.

I am not going to try a defend the actions of anyone who does have racist thoughts racing through them but I do think quite a lot of it stems from the fact that as Norwich has remained pretty much isolated from the rest of the country in terms of transport infrastructure, very few foreigners moved out to Norfolk when arriving and passing through immigration and seeing anyone from "outside" would come as huge surprise. You could say, and some people on here will love this, there is a certain amount of ignorance among some in Norfolk but what I actually mean is those people are typically middle age to the OAP group and almost certainly come from farming backgrounds. The younger generation, on the whole are far more tolerant than these other age ranges. As the city has changed over the least couple of decades so has the attitude of the people. More ethnic minorities have moved in to the area but that figure still remains relatively low, again thanks to the pathetic transport links to the rest of the country.

 

NORWICH?!! DL are you having a laugh? Norwich comes across as the most inoffensive family Club I can think of. I must say I'm very surprised at Norwich being included in your list.

If she referred to her native City with the English Capital prefix then you could probably throw Catholics onto her list of inferior species. Not for definite of course but in the realms of probability I would say that its likely.

Again, Norwich would be among the last - if not THE last - Club(s) that I would have thought to have a significant racist element. I've never been to East Anglia but I have a picture in my mind of it being a really pretty place without a lot of the problems you'd associate with the dreary North and parts of London etc.

 

Yes, Catholics would be on her list

And you would be right Swords although the inner city is getting a bit dodgy these days, not as bad as some other places but certainly dodgy enough.

If there is any racism around I would not say it was significant but it definitely does exist up to a point but that would probably apply to just about every city and large town in England, Scotland & Wales.

 

And to here in Ireland too. In fact, you could say it about pretty much anywhere in the World mate. Where there's large concentrations of people, there'll be bigotry, envy and racism. Its just the way the homosapien is.

Hows Beefy doing these days?!

 

He's calmed down in the last few weeks mate but then the QPR faithful have been keeping away from our board recently too. Even our match day with you was a very quiet affair, so strange but bloody refreshing